* Nanyang JC (NYJC)
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From observations: I believe It’s for intellectual entertainments. It’s similar to some people like to watch drama. Try not to let it go down the rabbit hole then it should be fine. They are many others offering balance views too. But It’s always the strong emotion postings that catch our attentions more. Other readers will have to judge for themselves.
When we lose our balance of the mind we will more likely to be emotional and also not at ease. So when others are emotional I try my best to be compassionate to them because they are in unease state.
It important we parents have to take good care of our well-being too. -
As the above replies have well-explained what I was indirectly articulating; all these result comparisons are for entertainment purposes. This is really a thing drilled into the Singaporean social system; once you leave and work overseas, let’s see whether you think such result comparisons between schools are meaningful when intake standards differ.
Different schools have different programs and resources, like how some schools have a well-structured science research program for aspiring science students while other don’t. Such comparisons are useful for students who wish to enter schools with suitable niches that fit their interests and development. For eg 10-20 years ago, only schools like AJC/NJC/VJC are center of excellence in science but NYJC isn’t one; so an JAE intake student who wants to participate in science research programs may need to consider only certain schools offer such opportunities.
But it seems more than half of the arguments in this forum aren’t about school program but result comparisons, when whether an individual does well boils down to each ability. How meaningful is that to compare results? All these past years, it’s clear lower COP => better A level results. Of course COP ranking isn’t EXACTLY inversely proportional to mean A level rank point. But have we heard any school in history whose eg COP is ranked like top 5 being bottom 5 in A level mean score or vice versa? Yes some people can continue claiming some schools have better teachers or value addedness, so entering these schools can maximize one’s chance to do better; well it make sense to think that way. You want to talk about value-addedness? In the past lower-tier JCs like SRJC and YJC are known to be value-added; but I doubt many people who argue which JC is ranked 3rd in A level want to enter these value-added schools; because the real argument for them isn’t really about value-addedness. But do you want to continue thinking how the environment matters more than yourself? There are so many examples out there students with good O level scores entering lower-tier schools still doing very well for their A level eventually.
Also, some people can continue thinking paper certificates are holy grails as they are required to open doors to opportunities in Singapore. So what if one doesn’t do well academically? Should they end their lives with those ugly grades? Or they should pick themselves up, consider carefully where their interests and strengths lie, walk an alterative path and work towards a suitable career to pursue life satisfaction, despite how the environment is stacked against them? Then some people will disagree with what I said; which brings my next point, students in SG aren’t trained to face failures and disappointment with stride, and not to blame the environment, which is a much needed quality to overcome adversities in life/work, be it in SG or overseas. -
Your point by point rebuttal is impressive. Agree that we should make full use of free publicly available information whenever we can. The reality out there is harsh so got to minimise error in every step and all the more so during this period. Still, need to lookout for the well being (mental health) of the child too. Not easy to be a parent nowadays. Really.
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Usaik881, if you run for election I will not vote for you man
your “policy” works maybe for the top 1% (doctor/lawyer potential) . The other 99%, not as strong academically, no contact ,how? Sounds like a “Squid Game” scenario - last one standing :nailbite: -
At this juncture, I would like to share my understanding of the academic A results of a school.
1. It is very one-dimensional to attribute good results to a school alone. In this era, the academic results are highly skewed due to the tons of tuition the kids are getting. Parents apparently have deeper pockets these days, hence the ability to send kids for tuition from primary to A levels in a non-stop way resulting in filtering some of these "academically excellent" kids into top schools. So I cannot fully attribute the stellar academic performance to the school alone. Only minority has no tuition these days.
2. Happy kids produce results even without tuition. This is true if a kid has chosen the right school and thrives in it, hence the stellar results. However, this point is applicable to ALL schools as long as a kid has chosen the right school for herself/himself. It need not be the top school with the best result, it needs to be the school which can bring out the best in the kid only.
So based on 1 and 2, it is non-conclusive to say that the good results we see in the A levels are fully attributed to the school. The only definitive conclusion one can draw from the stellar results is that the results are very competitive, the race is very real.
So bottom line for parents in helping to choose the right school for your kids, use this information as a rough guide for the academic excellence and the school’s reputation at best, whether ranking 1 or 10, it is not important, it is however imperative for the kid to go to each of the school to understand and feel the liking for the environment that suits your kid in order to perform well holistically. -
usaik881\" post_id=\"2098384\" time=\"1676871127\" user_id=\"199461:
As a large government linked company, every year, my company recruit graduates from tops universities in Singapore and overseas. Some are even scholarship winner. For my own department, we have colleagues from the same university with different educational background, some are from Express in top schools, follow by JC and some are from NA in neighbour schools, Polytechnic and then University, etc. However, once they start working here, no one here will care their original schools and their former exam results. The most important are whether they can :
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We maintain this position. School choices matter. This is because at the schools level, 100% of content is taught, whether via face-to-face or via books alone or a combination thereof. There are cases where people can succeed without going to school at all. Common sense tells us this is not the common occurrence, since it is not how the majority is wired, especially teenagers who are impressionable and are easily influenced by their surroundings.
1.\"Get things done\"
2. \"Willing to learn\"
3. \"Co-operate with others\"
From my experience, those who get their promotion fast are not always from the tops schools or JC. The actual working environment is much more complicated. -
bbbay\" post_id=\"2098388\" time=\"1676872529\" user_id=\"175278:
Last one standing may well be the one who went to ITE.
Usaik881, if you run for election I will not vote for you man your “policy” works maybe for the top 1% (doctor/lawyer potential) . The other 99%, not as strong academically, no contact ,how? Sounds like a “Squid Game” scenario - last one standing :nailbite: -
pirate\" post_id=\"2098395\" time=\"1676875521\" user_id=\"66252:
Correct!!!! I believe those who went to army before will know this at the age of 18. ITE kids have their own way of doing things and you can really learn a lot from them. So long they feel that you are willing to be friends with them, they will show you what they are good at and you will be amazed at how good they are really. They have different perspectives and can look at the same issue from another angle. There is a lot you can learn from them.
Last one standing may well be the one who went to ITE. -
sushi88\" post_id=\"2098390\" time=\"1676873417\" user_id=\"100857:
At this juncture, I would like to share my understanding of the academic A results of a school.
1. It is very one-dimensional to attribute good results to a school alone. In this era, the academic results are highly skewed due to the tons of tuition the kids are getting. Parents apparently have deeper pockets these days, hence the ability to send kids for tuition from primary to A levels in a non-stop way resulting in filtering some of these \"academically excellent\" kids into top schools. So I cannot fully attribute the stellar academic performance to the school alone. Only minority has no tuition these days.
2. Happy kids produce results even without tuition. This is true if a kid has chosen the right school and thrives in it, hence the stellar results. However, this point is applicable to ALL schools as long as a kid has chosen the right school for herself/himself. It need not be the top school with the best result, it needs to be the school which can bring out the best in the kid only.
So based on 1 and 2, it is non-conclusive to say that the good results we see in the A levels are fully attributed to the school. The only definitive conclusion one can draw from the stellar results is that the results are very competitive, the race is very real.
So bottom line for parents in helping to choose the right school for your kids, use this information as a rough guide for the academic excellence and the school's reputation at best, whether ranking 1 or 10, it is not important, it is however imperative for the kid to go to each of the school to understand and feel the liking for the environment that suits your kid in order to perform well holistically.Liew Nga Wing\" post_id=\"2098391\" time=\"1676874299\" user_id=\"195250:[quote=\"Liew Nga Wing\" post_id=2098391 time=1676874299 user_id=195250]As a large government linked company, every year, my company recruit graduates from tops universities in Singapore and overseas. Some are even scholarship winner. For my own department, we have colleagues from the same university with different educational background, some are from Express in top schools, follow by JC and some are from NA in neighbour schools, Polytechnic and then University, etc. However, once they start working here, no one here will care their original schools and their former exam results. The most important are whether they can :
These two posts above I quoted echo what I was trying to bring across.
1.\"Get things done\"
2. \"Willing to learn\"
3. \"Co-operate with others\"
From my experience, those who get their promotion fast are not always from the tops schools or JC. The actual working environment is much more complicated.[/quote]
And FYI, I'm now working overseas, and I have qualifications (up to PhD) from top overseas universities in the field I'm specializing. My point is not to brag, but to give my perspective on this whole result comparison thing despite the paper qualifications I have. This whole paper qualification and school thing, once you leave SG and work overseas, you realize they aren't everything (maybe SG civil service still now talks about having at least 2nd upper degree for promotion; I don't know?) Paper qualifications can open doors to recruitment, but it's only a factor and your prior experiences that can't be summarized by paper qualifications are MORE important; after that, your boss don't harp after your prior achievements, but what you aspire to do for the team matters the most now (at least that's what my boss is like).
I studied in SG before leaving, so I totally understood how people can be revering paper qualifications and how not doing well to enter top schools means \"many doors are shut and your life is gone\". I just want to tell all students and anyone out there, paper qualifications and the opportunities the school you are in open doors, yes, but whatever your results are, always believe in yourself if you want to pursue your dreams. Meet any failures in life? Face them up strongly; you'll become a better person rather than trying to blame the environment you are in. Leverage on your strengths and passion whatever the present situation you are facing to live your own life path. -
Dino\" post_id=\"2098397\" time=\"1676876054\" user_id=\"6726:
Long story short: I attended my bro in law furneral over last weekend. He was a blue collar worker without much education. Before he fell ill, he taught lion dance and stuff voluntarily to many young people. people whom life he has touch, turned up at his wake. In the last day of the wake, , there was this giant flag dance where performers (put together by his friends) balance 10m tall flags. On each giant flags is the Chinese character 尊. That should sum up his legacies. It was a touching and educating moment, at least for me. So no correlation between level of education and meaningful life
Correct!!!! I believe those who went to army before will know this at the age of 18. ITE kids have their own way of doing things and you can really learn a lot from them. So long they feel that you are willing to be friends with them, they will show you what they are good at and you will be amazed at how good they are really. They have different perspectives and can look at the same issue from another angle. There is a lot you can learn from them.
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