Can through-train school work in kiasu Singapore?

[sushi88]

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Those students that matured later, they will have further chances down the road to pick up again. My colleague went to ITE, then poly, then NTU. My niece was from ITE and she is in Poly now. Another college of mine went from Poly to NTU. To those that don’t do well in PSLE, don’t give up.

There are many HCI students enrolled in NTU too. Both top JC and ITE students can still end up same place

And I did a quick look at the statistics last night.
If what I see rightly based on a cohort intake and % making it to the uni from the polys, the universities should roughly have 1/3 poly kids and 2/3 A level kids. And that proportion is pretty realistic because if you know kids in the uni now, there are indeed a lot of NA/poly kids in the unis and they are not in the unpopular courses. It is competitive.

Also I came upon an article reporting in 2022, NUS took in 18 poly students for Medicine as opposed to 6-7 in previous years.

[sushi88]

Oh maybe I have found a real concern.


Out of the 10% or 4000 students in the IP track, what is the percentage of students who are new PR, new citizens or foreigners?

Maybe vacancies for locally born and bred can have some priority first? :scratchhead:

1. New PR and new citizens must be PR or citizens for at least x years to enjoy full privilege as PR and citizens?
2. Review foreigners intake % per IP school? ( I would think this is already sth in place)

I notice the students population is pretty diverse in terms of nationality in some IP schools, just an observation.

Or maybe more IP schools? Maybe eventually more IP schools than secondary if everyone prefers that style of learning? That would be fantastic!

[lee_yl]

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Looks like the parent made the right choice to “influence” the child to do o levels because the child still end up in the IPJC. Most importantly, the child learned to make a decision, and having the courage to take up the challenge. Let’s learn to cheer for other parents.[/quote]

In the first place, the kids qualified for IP, had the academic caliber, so why the irrational fear of a stressful life in IP? By not stepping up to a challenge, do the kids lose faith in their ability to compete at the highest level?

If by choosing O level, one ends up doing poorly due to some random factors, should the parents blame themselves subsequently?

The child learned to make own decision? The way it was written, I thought it was more of a decision influenced by parents who preferred to opt for the O level route.

[lee_yl]

sushi88\" post_id=\"2101594\" time=\"1679107241\" user_id=\"100857:

The point in red just proves that statistically the inference of uni-bound kids identified at PSLE is pretty accurate.
So it is not that they are occupying the seats, even if after 'O' level, it would be a similar outcome (albeit we may think there is a major reshuffle?), the same kids will pass through the funnel again. There maybe a reshuffle but not by that much. We find it hard to see it because if our minds keep thinking that they are just occupying the seats unfairly. Again at 'A' level, they will prove themselves worthy to pass the 'A' levels with flying colours with majority from the IP program. 4 out of 5 are mainly IP JCs right?

Now there is a difference being naturally academically able to pass through this route vis-a-vis trying very hard to get into this route via tuition during PSLE. Of course everyone is free to try for it but understand that the route is created for kids who are academically inclined and able to cope in the IP track. Forcing kids to go through that route if they are unwilling or unable is just giving them a wrong perspective that their future is doomed if they are not in that route.

As individuals, we need to assess carefully what is a suitable way to help our kids succeed and not blindly choose a path most popular or most coveted, killing the opportunity to groom our kids in the right way. Kids grow fast, we should not waste time doing the wrong things for them as parents. A lot of communication with our kids is probably the best way to help our kids find the best way to groom them.

Maybe to give all of us a balance in the hearts and never ever doubting the academic prowess of this group, I would suggest something radical instead.
BAN all kinds of academic TUITION for IP kids, it aligns with the learning objective of IP. Everything to go thru consultation in school. I think this will help to filter really academically-able kids into the track that no one would ever look to push their kids into that track without thinking twice that no tuition is allowed inside this track. What say you?

IP tends to favour the girls. At 12yo, girls are more matured and could outperform the boys academically. By 16yo, the boys would have matured by then and would perform better than the girls who may be still struggling with hormonal changes (easily moody/emotional).

How to ban IP tuition? parents will then employ home tutors who disguise as “ part-time helper”

Alternatively, how about making other pathways like IB (after PSLE) more easily available for the public? Local IB schools are not easy to get in and doing IB at international school is not cheap. Kids can opt for IB if they are keen, just like SJI Int which takes in kids whose tscores are below 200 can also try IB.

Edit to add: Those who make it to IP, do most of them had tuition before PSLE or most had zero tuition? If the former, it means tuition does help to send kids into IP/ elite JCs etc.

[bbbay]

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And I did a quick look at the statistics last night.
If what I see rightly based on a cohort intake and % making it to the uni from the polys, the universities should roughly have 1/3 poly kids and 2/3 A level kids. And that proportion is pretty realistic because if you know kids in the uni now, there are indeed a lot of NA/poly kids in the unis and they are not in the unpopular courses. It is competitive.

Also I came upon an article reporting in 2022, NUS took in 18 poly students for Medicine as opposed to 6-7 in previous years.

There are indeed many pathways. We still have the options of adult learning /life long learning schemes from Uni/poly, for working adults to return to schools at later stage of their lives. So the PSLE, even O/A levels, when fail to do good in them for some reason, will not mean “the end of our child future”, like how it was before during we parents’ parent times, because our education landscape has changed.

[Zeal mummy]

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There are indeed many pathways. We still have the options of adult learning /life long learning schemes from Uni/poly, for working adults to return to schools at later stage of their lives. So the PSLE, even O/A levels, when fail to do good in them for some reason, will not mean “the end of our child future”, like how it was before during we parents’ parent times, because our education landscape has changed.

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[bbbay]

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1. Pri Sch Completion Exam
2. Pri Six Proficiency
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P, O and A level? :grphug:

[lee_yl]

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There are indeed many pathways. We still have the options of adult learning /life long learning schemes from Uni/poly, for working adults to return to schools at later stage of their lives. So the PSLE, even O/A levels, when fail to do good in them for some reason, will not mean “the end of our child future”, like how it was before during we parents’ parent times, because our education landscape has changed.

I can totally agree with this. I am sure many parents are also aware of this. Does that mean that PSLE stress does not exist? Why parents still send kids to all sort of tuitions and DSA prep? Why do we still have this billion tuition industry?

Granted that there are many pathways, but some are tougher and take a much longer time. So when the options are available, parents would definitely prefer their kids to take the easier pathway.

[sushi88]

lee_yl\" post_id=\"2101634\" time=\"1679124244\" user_id=\"17023:

IP tends to favour the girls. At 12yo, girls are more matured and could outperform the boys academically. By 16yo, the boys would have matured by then and would perform better than the girls who may be still struggling with hormonal changes (easily moody/emotional).

How to ban IP tuition? parents will then employ home tutors who disguise as “ part-time helper”

Alternatively, how about making other pathways like IB (after PSLE) more easily available for the public? Local IB schools are not easy to get in and doing IB at international school is not cheap. Instead of going NA, kids can opt for IB if they are keen, just like SJI Int which takes in kids whose tscores are below 200 can also try IB.

I agree with you, it's hard to ban \"tuition\" , I wonder how successful is China or SK in doing that?

I agree that making the IP door wider is another way....and the discussion of A levels of IB exam will be the other debate for these TT IP schools.

If everyone feels that IP is so \"exclusive\", then let more people go the sec-JC TT way... no need to retake PSLE. Currently we are allowing secondary kids to transfer in during Sec 3, but if people prefer to be in IP and transfer out to O level during Sec 3, I am sure it is also workable. Is that what people are willing to subject their kids to? Surely more stress doing transfers. :lol:

If we have IP track and secondary track as 2 different styles of learning in a 30-70, 40-60 and eventually 50-50 ratio, then the competition will not be racing for the 10-20% vacancies in IP which people think is \"privileged\". :lol: