Can through-train school work in kiasu Singapore?

[Veyron]

sushi88\" post_id=\"2103741\" time=\"1680396039\" user_id=\"100857:

Meritocracy is right but why is there a need for the majority to get into secondary schools(excluding the 10% IP track) via a merit system if ALL schools are good schools and overall vacancies are sufficient to promote all students who pass? Also, with FSBB, it is more and more evident that there is no necessity to sort the kids so granularly so that they can enjoy a diverse learning environment which is a true emulation of the real world. Within the school, meritocracy can and will still be practised in situations where the rewards are limited.

All schools are good schools, but some schools are better at delivering better O-Level results.

One classic example is ACS affiliation.
ACS - COP (AL22 for express)
ACS (I) - COP (AL13 for express)

Of the 2, only ACS(I) publish their O-level performance.

Why better O-level result?

Better schools attract students with better PSLE scores, and students who do well in PSLE will generally also do well in O-Level.

[bbbay]

pirate\" post_id=\"2103763\" time=\"1680406344\" user_id=\"66252:

We are back to meritocracy, are we?

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DSA, SOTA, Sport school?

[zac's mum]

Veyron\" post_id=\"2103765\" time=\"1680407100\" user_id=\"30663:

All schools are good schools, but some schools are better at delivering better O-Level results.

One classic example is ACS affiliation.
ACS - COP (AL22 for express)
ACS (I) - COP (AL13 for express)

Of the 2, only ACS(I) publish their O-level performance.

Why better O-level result?

Better schools attract students with better PSLE scores, and students who do well in PSLE will generally also do well in O-Level.

U did not seem to have read the link to the ECHO magazine which I provided. The O level results are published there for both schools.

Pages 13 and 21.
https://acsecho.com/

[pirate]

bbbay\" post_id=\"2103767\" time=\"1680407576\" user_id=\"175278:

DSA, SOTA, Sport school?

But they all require passing the tree climbing examination.
:siam:

[sushi88]

Veyron\" post_id=\"2103765\" time=\"1680407100\" user_id=\"30663:

All schools are good schools, but some schools are better at delivering better O-Level results.

One classic example is ACS affiliation.
ACS - COP (AL22 for express)
ACS (I) - COP (AL13 for express)

Of the 2, only ACS(I) publish their O-level performance.

Why better O-level result?

Better schools attract students with better PSLE scores, and students who do well in PSLE will generally also do well in O-Level.

How about \"better input, better output\" like what Minister CCS said? So which one comes first? Better schools or better students? :? Not forgetting tuition is also in the formula to boost the output. As long as we keep sorting the kids into schools using a COP, the better COP schools will always outshine the not-so-good COP schools.

It's really up to us, I am not advocating anything at this point. Only wondering what everyone is chasing so hard until stress becomes so unsurmountable when everyone is promised a place in a secondary school as long as they pass and all schools are provided the same as good schools by MOE.

[sushi88]

bbbay\" post_id=\"2103760\" time=\"1680405289\" user_id=\"175278:

I know students who do not chase are in IP; I believe many that chase are not in IP. How significant are they I cannot answer.

On the other hand, to \"help\" those parents/students who do not want to be in \"spotlight\", is to sacrifice optimise learning for them?

Exactly right! Those in IP still need to race into JC? We all know It's a TT for them.
Those who did not make it to IP would race again to get into either an IP JC or non-IP JC and that's typically the same 20-30% or more(?) who did not make it at PSLE level to IP track and would still want to try a JC route. Nothing wrong with that right?

And the race has returned.....because there are limited vacancies plus limited vacancies in popular JCs and kids have to vie for it.

Optimal learning is a bit over-rated at JC level, they are supposedly all academically-able kids. By JC, frankly, still sorting them by ability is actually quite sick if these kids' next step is to go to college. Are the students sorted by ability in the uni?

[sushi88]

pirate\" post_id=\"2103794\" time=\"1680413937\" user_id=\"66252:

But they all require passing the tree climbing examination.
:siam:

I suppose it is a necessary evil for this tree climbing exam as a high stake exam to test extreme fitness level if one wants to take a different path from the usual path ......IP, SOTA, NUSH, SSP etc .... all these are the paths lesser travelled. However, for the usual path, tree climbing exam should just be an indicator for choosing the branches to dock on as they climb up the tree to learn and see more of the world.

[pirate]

sushi88\" post_id=\"2103798\" time=\"1680417303\" user_id=\"100857:

I suppose it is a necessary evil for this tree climbing exam as a high stake exam to test extreme fitness level if one wants to take a different path from the usual path ......IP, SOTA, NUSH, SSP etc .... all these are the paths lesser travelled. However, for the usual path, tree climbing exam should just be an indicator for choosing the branches to dock on as they climb up the tree to learn and see more of the world.

Actually, two thirds of our world is under the oceans and cannot be seen from up a tree.

And dunno how many percent of land has no trees, like large stretches of deserts and the polar regions.

And then there are those who can't climb trees but can fly.

I also hear that SOTA is actually an academic institution masquerading as an arts school. The emphasis there is still on IB.
:lightrod:

[pirate]

Actually, I don't see what's the problem. One can practically TT to ITE.


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[Veyron]

sushi88\" post_id=\"2103795\" time=\"1680414091\" user_id=\"100857:

How about \"better input, better output\" like what Minister CCS said? So which one comes first? Better schools or better students? :? Not forgetting tuition is also in the formula to boost the output. As long as we keep sorting the kids into schools using a COP, the better COP schools will always outshine the not-so-good COP schools.

It's really up to us, I am not advocating anything at this point. Only wondering what everyone is chasing so hard until stress becomes so unsurmountable when everyone is promised a place in a secondary school as long as they pass and all schools are provided the same as good schools by MOE.

This is not sorting, just natural order when it comes to school selection. Ultimately it is the students who decide on school choices, not MOE sorting. If students want more choices, they have to do well in PSLE or any other major exams henceforth.

Some of the popular sec/JCs in Singapore are more than 100 years old, so its certainly the schools come first before students. If we randomly pick 100 students from the same school and send them to the same enrichment program, do you think the output will be the same? Not possible right? some will be AL4 some AL10, some AL18.
And there are also AL4 students who don't go to have tuition.