2023 PSLE Discussions and Strategies (Children born in 2011)
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phtthp\" post_id=\"2123994\" time=\"1701223707\" user_id=\"35251:
Totally resonate with you that jap is difficult. This silly mom took jap for fun (ok lah, to be conversant with kids) but gave up soon after. My old brain just can’t absorb and they have a very different sentence construction that you cannot use English to construct then write or say out in Jap. My girls said to learn jap, you need to think in Chinese then say rather than English and knowing Chinese helps as jap has kanji. That’s why Chinese is a pre-req to learning jap. Also jap has 3 forms (katagana. Hirigana and kanji) and they can be used in the same sentence depending on what you are referring to. Too chim for this old brain of mine.
Amongst these 4 languages at MOELC (Japanese / German / French / Spanish) :-
1) the hottest, greatest in demand is ... Japanese. Probably because, is a language in Asia.
2) ironically, the one that dropped out the most, is also ... Japanese.
Why ?
Because
Japanese is the hardest, most challenging to learn, assuming that u have zero knowledge / background.
For those students in primary schools who have ever been exposed to Japanese before, perhaps via private enrichment lessons arranged by their parents, then, maybe still not so bad.
After so many students dropped out along the way,
at the end of Sec 4, the Total number of students taking or sitting for O-level (Japanese) : not many. If you can \"tahan\" Japanese all the way to O-level, I :salute: you -
manorway\" post_id=\"2123965\" time=\"1701189652\" user_id=\"9303:
It's possible. The distribution of different bands within a range can differ year from year due to different cohort size and other qualities plus the curriculum and policy implemented. So in general top 3% could be AL6 but there can be 200 AL4-5 and 400 AL6 this year, and 150 AL4-5 and 450 AL6 next. But I believe the general pattern should be there will be more in AL6 than AL4-5.
Just out of curiosity and I must apologise if this was discussed before...
Is it possible that if a particular paper is easier than usual in one year, more kids that year score AL1 and AL2? Since it is raw score converting to AL, then there will be more AL6 or more AL7 to AL9.
Even if a paper is not easier, let's say SEAB manages to keep standard of papers the same every year, it is possible that some schools figure out how to better teach their students and more in the schools score better. SInce there is no bell curve anymore, is it possible that there are more than 4000 kids scoring AL9 and better? 5000 or even 6000 kids?
One way to stablise is how the papers are set, as a whole exam. -
Let's say:
There are roughly 1,800 places for kids scoring AL5 or better in independent schools. Roughly 400 x 4 (R & H family) + 200 (others in A family, SCG, SJ etc). Some guru can feel free to jump in with better figure.
Extracted from MOE webpage on ESIS:
\"Awarded to the top one-third of students admitted to independent schools by PSLE score.\"
1/3 of 2000 is abt 600. Yes, this only include SC. Are there significant foreigners with AL4-5? Most PR parents will have SC children in local system. Hence, 1.5% seems plausible.
For discussion only. -
Some Independent Schools have additional tracks besides IP. I don’t believe the award is limited to Independent IP students only (in fact, the website says the award is for four years if one is in the O track). There are also Specialised Independent Schools and students at three of them are eligible for ESIS.
Maybe the figure that gets multiplied by 1/3 is a lot larger? Hmmm -
kylene\" post_id=\"2123999\" time=\"1701228233\" user_id=\"6993:
The number of AL4 students in my girl's primary school is about the same this year and last year. The AL4 last year ( now sec one) came back for their PSLE awards, and the P announced the names of all the AL4 this year during results day. About the same numbers.
Just curious if there are any stats from schools regarding number of AL4/5 this year compared to previous years . Saw a couple of comments that this year’s PSLE was easier -
On the topic of places for kids scoring AL5 or better at independent schools, 400 x 4 (R & H family), the 400 for H family is alr higher estimation as their COP is AL7, while R has COP of AL6. Both do not have COP of AL5.
Regardless the 600 + delta, 600 is alr on the high side and unless there is more evidence with numbers that delta is significant, I doubt it is. For the past 2 years, I believe this number may be smaller (towards 500) since cohort size is much smaller.
Each guess is as good as everyone else’s -
00skyblue00\" post_id=\"2124047\" time=\"1701250112\" user_id=\"143605:
The award (per the Eligibility Letter) is not based on the number of AL4s and AL5s actually in school X, Y, Z, etc. The letter is also issued to some students who don't select an Independent School.
On the topic of places for kids scoring AL5 or better at independent schools, 400 x 4 (R & H family), the 400 for H family is alr higher estimation as their COP is AL7, while R has COP of AL6. Both do not have COP of AL5.
Regardless the 600 + delta, 600 is alr on the high side and unless there is more evidence with numbers that delta is significant, I doubt it is. For the past 2 years, I believe this number may be smaller (towards 500) since cohort size is much smaller.
Each guess is as good as everyone else's
How many letters would MOE decide to issue? Why wouldn't the number of letters issued be roughly equal to 1/3 of the Independent School places? -
If you think ~260/261 (this was also the ESIS COP for 2018-2020) was top ~3% (not saying I agree or disagree with this) or ~1,200 students on average and you think AL6 is 1,200 students, why don’t AL6s get the ESIS Letter?
Fun fact: not all of the AL6 COP schools had a t-score COP >= 260. For 2018-2020, many of the COPs were in the high 250s.
Hmmm, maybe both of these give some insight as to whether the number of AL6s is equal to, greater than, or less than the number of 260+s (in the old days)? Hmmmmm -
Why and how? So your point being? Estimation is Estimation, never will get exact, just roughly, ballpark. So do u think 1,100 is more correct because? I seriously doubt we have so many non SC to take the top places. It is actually quite alarming to think we have as many non SC as SC in top places, meaning either we have same proportion in the other ranges to form another normal distribution or we are getting mainly those in top ranges. Please provide the sources and numbers.
Fun fact: asean scholars and other scholars do not take psle. So they are not included in case you missed this.
We dont have agree. :siam:
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SG_KP1\" post_id=\"2124049\" time=\"1701252613\" user_id=\"188234:
We know, not all awarded ESIS will choose independent schools. Are u asking why only AL4-5 are awarded ESIS but not AL6? Why do you think AL6 should get esis? Moe cannot have their discretion? Or are u asking MOE to explain their rationale. I doubt anyone can give a convincing reply here.
If you think ~260/261 (this was also the ESIS COP for 2018-2020) was top ~3% (not saying I agree or disagree with this) or ~1,200 students on average and you think AL6 is 1,200 students, why don't AL6s get the ESIS Letter?
Fun fact: not all of the AL6 COP schools had a t-score COP >= 260. For 2018-2020, many of the COPs were in the high 250s.
Hmmm, maybe both of these give some insight as to whether the number of AL6s is equal to, greater than, or less than the number of 260+s (in the old days)? Hmmmmm
I do believe, these numbers have some rationale. Could be statistically AL-5 are those more likely to continue outshine others up till A levels. Many kids change once in sec, whether IP or O. Hence moe also award top 5% for those done well in O levels. Likely this second group has also proven historically.
The game has changed in new AL banding, moe can choose to be stingy for the pri sch top kids coz many practically their parents or tutors studying for psle, kids just comply. Could be. No one knows for sure, except MOE.
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