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Ganjiongspider\" post_id=\"2125845\" time=\"1703824396\" user_id=\"102810:
The hidden messages are the confined to certain standard answers or norm too?
In fact Lit has no definite answer? but must hv personal response, & quote your evidence closely fm the text. While I agree to a certain extent that Lit is marked very subjective as it is not so straight forward like Math & Science, students must read the text very very critically & understand what's the authors trying to convey their hidden messages fm the text. As long as the students sit down & read critically & fully immersed the text, he/she will be able to score pretty fast ,& well. Previously dd tends to go shortcut, only flip to certain pages & didnt read critically the whole text, her CT/BT/Promo the most score B. Leading to Prelim, I forced her to read the whole text fm beginning to end, she finally got a decent A in the Prelim. So I must say students opt for Lit as H2 subject must be sensitive to the choice of words used to convey, & most importantly must totally understand more deeper meaning of the whole context that the author wants to convey.
This occured to a kid in p1 or p2.
What is the difference between 38 and 17?
Has anyone come across kids would who gave an answer other than 21? -
00skyblue00\" post_id=\"2125923\" time=\"1703897546\" user_id=\"143605:
I do not know about your Lit discussion because we havent seen the qn and answer in detail.
The hidden messages are the confined to certain standard answers or norm too?
This occured to a kid in p1 or p2.
What is the difference between 38 and 17?
Has anyone come across kids would who gave an answer other than 21?
But for the lower pri math qn, i can tell u my kid would have had a field day with that lol. Sadly, the context of the qn is asking for the mathematical difference, so there is only one acceptable answer.
Let me show you my child’s answer for a Sec 1 science qn…answer is not wrong but yet it is wrong, if u know what i mean 🙄![](\"https://i.imgur.com/x3qefso.jpeg\")
https://i.imgur.com/x3qefso.jpeg\">
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zac's mum\" post_id=\"2125925\" time=\"1703898796\" user_id=\"53606:[quote=\"zac's mum\" post_id=2125925 time=1703898796 user_id=53606]
While I sympathise with these answers (and one of my kids would have had great fun too), with my \"teacher\" hat on, I would have had to impress upon my kids that CONTEXT is important, not just comprehension of words. In working life, I'm sure we all know that understanding what the boss means is more important than what he actually says. Same in married life, actually!
I do not know about your Lit discussion because we havent seen the qn and answer in detail.
But for the lower pri math qn, i can tell u my kid would have had a field day with that lol. Sadly, the context of the qn is asking for the mathematical difference, so there is only one acceptable answer.
Let me show you my child’s answer for a Sec 1 science qn…answer is not wrong but yet it is wrong, if u know what i mean 🙄
Teachers are not without humour - I wouldn't be surprised if the teacher had a good laugh, and probably showed the answer to others too! But for the purposes of schoolwork, he/she has to demand the expected answer. -
zac's mum\" post_id=\"2125925\" time=\"1703898796\" user_id=\"53606:[quote=\"zac's mum\" post_id=2125925 time=1703898796 user_id=53606]
This kid answered,
I do not know about your Lit discussion because we havent seen the qn and answer in detail.
But for the lower pri math qn, i can tell u my kid would have had a field day with that lol. Sadly, the context of the qn is asking for the mathematical difference, so there is only one acceptable answer.
Let me show you my child’s answer for a Sec 1 science qn…answer is not wrong but yet it is wrong, if u know what i mean 🙄
38 is an even number while 17 is an odd number.
Apparently the class had just been taught about even and odd numbers.
The answer to me is not wrong and is relevant to maths too. But teacher marked it wrong and never speak to the kid. Hence, i think only parents who are involved will be able explain further to the kid.
To me, there is no concern at all to lose this type of 1 point. The kid consistently get above 90 until PSLE. Still getting high marks in sec sch. But u know why the kid will never get full marks even though it is maths. Kids with minds of their own... Back then parents just told the kid, this type, is not a fault and they wouldn't be bothered.
Bringing this up since the discussion was abt standard answers and sensitivity to choice of words.
The qn could have phrased
Find out the difference of x from y.
To subtract x from y.
Etc.
The difference between x and y? Is this correctly phrased if it meant subtraction?
As for your sci qn, the reply seems not complete. Depends on the marks. If 1 mark qn, it may be lack of technical term. If essay, can be elaborated. -
00skyblue00\" post_id=\"2125952\" time=\"1703901624\" user_id=\"143605:
In \"Math-speak\", \"difference\" always refers to subtraction, as far as I recall. Similarly, \"sum\", \"product\" and \"quotient\" for the other operators.
This kid answered,
38 is an even number while 17 is an odd number.
Apparently the class had just been taught about even and odd numbers.
The answer to me is not wrong and is relevant to maths too. But teacher marked it wrong and never speak to the kid. Hence, i think only parents who are involved will be able explain further to the kid.
To me, there is no concern at all to lose this type of 1 point. The kid consistently get above 90 until PSLE. Still getting high marks in sec sch. But u know why the kid will never get full marks even though it is maths. Kids with minds of their own... Back then parents just told the kid, this type, is not a fault and they wouldn't be bothered.
Bringing this up since the discussion was abt standard answers and sensitivity to choice of words.
The qn could have phrased
Find out the difference of x from y.
To subtract x from y.
Etc.
The difference between x and y? Is this correctly phrased if it meant subtraction?
As for your sci qn, the reply seems not complete. Depends on the marks. If 1 mark qn, it may be lack of technical term. If essay, can be elaborated.
If a young child gives a \"spot the difference\" answer rather than a \"Maths-speak\" answer, I would probably praise him for realising that the question can be interpreted in more than one way, but point to the fact that it was a Maths question, and therefore should be interpreted in \"Maths-speak\". Learning which meaning to apply in various contexts is part of growing up. In fact, an aspect of the disability in autism is the inability (though some can be taught and can improve) to take things literally without considering context.
And if it's an older child who's trying to be cheeky, then probably a telling-off might be in order. -
Another one for laughs. This one is definitely being cheeky :spank: . Sorry for the OT!
![](\"https://i.imgur.com/s5hZcwG.jpeg\")
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zac's mum\" post_id=\"2125925\" time=\"1703898796\" user_id=\"53606:[quote=\"zac's mum\" post_id=2125925 time=1703898796 user_id=53606]
:rotflmao: The answer is so funny. Innocently accurate, but sadly wrong. Actually, I would like to add that \"virtual\" and \"image\" basically are analogous. Why not just call it an image?
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Let me show you my child’s answer for a Sec 1 science qn…answer is not wrong but yet it is wrong, if u know what i mean 🙄
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The intricacies of science
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ChiefKiasu\" post_id=\"2125958\" time=\"1703903333\" user_id=\"3:
To contrast with \"real image\"?
:rotflmao: The answer is so funny. Innocently accurate, but sadly wrong. Actually, I would like to add that \"virtual\" and \"image\" basically are analogous. Why not just call it an image?
The intricacies of science . -
zac's mum\" post_id=\"2125956\" time=\"1703903129\" user_id=\"53606:[quote=\"zac's mum\" post_id=2125956 time=1703903129 user_id=53606]
I think she must have watched too much Monsters, Inc.
Another one for laughs. This one is definitely being cheeky :spank: . Sorry for the OT!
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slmkhoo\" post_id=\"2125953\" time=\"1703902844\" user_id=\"28674:
Parents were not keen to go after that point and had no concern at all. Is only a p1, 2 kid. Only exposed to formal learning for 1 yr or so. Jfyi, this kid had no tuition so not done tons and tons of worksheets type. Yes, its part of learning experience.
In \"Math-speak\", \"difference\" always refers to subtraction, as far as I recall. Similarly, \"sum\", \"product\" and \"quotient\" for the other operators.
If a young child gives a \"spot the difference\" answer rather than a \"Maths-speak\" answer, I would probably praise him for realising that the question can be interpreted in more than one way, but point to the fact that it was a Maths question, and therefore should be interpreted in \"Maths-speak\". Learning which meaning to apply in various contexts is part of growing up. In fact, an aspect of the disability in autism is the inability (though some can be taught and can improve) to take things literally without considering context.
And if it's an older child who's trying to be cheeky, then probably a telling-off might be in order.
I brought it up coz i think the issue if any is the kid is sensitive to choice of words. But a good teacher would speak to the kid, i wld expect.
Was definition of difference in maths properly defined to kids and taught that maths lang is not std English?
I recall during my time, maths qns were not phrased very well.
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