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    • lee_ylL Offline
      lee_yl
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      slmkhoo\" post_id=\"2131731\" time=\"1711847361\" user_id=\"28674:

      The days of being closely tied to your first qualifications and first job are over.
      Yes and no.

      For the candidates, good to have the mindset to be flexible and versatile as well as the willingness to relearn.

      However, in reality, some jobs can while some jobs cannot ignore the degree and experience. For example, any degree/diploma holder can be deployed with minimal training to be an insurance or property agent or telemarketer. For sales jobs, as long as staff can bring in sales for the company, he is a talent regardless of his degree.

      For certain sectors, you need a specific degree. If a shipping company is urgently looking for someone with logistics background, they have no time to slowly train someone with no background in logistics. Likewise for Dentist or Pharmacist.

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      • lee_ylL Offline
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        bbbay\" post_id=\"2131730\" time=\"1711844340\" user_id=\"175278:

        Another case of scholar pursuing a different path; into pastry making

        https://rafflespress.com/2024/03/11/from-the-civil-service-to-pastry-making-ms-yeo-min/
        Probably making and seeing her pastries make her happy. Life is beautiful, just like the pretty pastries she kneaded and baked.

        It could be an escape from her previous MSF job/posting. We know it can be heart wrenching to see so many sad/depressing cases there.

        Luckily, her parents can afford to help her break bond.

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        • Liew Nga WingL Offline
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          Actually after reading so much comments on this Indian man story, I really don’t understand why we have to discuss such a 不知所谓,无承担,无大志,懒惰,抗压性低,可能有点精神问题的人. Yes, he had obtained a good exam results, yes, had the best education and a good prospect job before, but the issue is what he is doing now. Even a cleaner on the street is better than him because the cleaner is contribute to the society. He doesn’t want want to buy a house and just leech on his parents for housing and other basic necessity and earning $1000 for simple meal and coffee. I have no interest on what he is doing despite I know myself, DH and DS together with DIF are working full time to earn our own living. I personal belief that he got some degree of mental problems but no need to bother him because his parents will take care of him. 小时了了,大未必佳. I only think the parents have a certain degree of responsibility, if the parents kick him out of the house and ask him to be independent. He got no choice and has to financially support himself. But there is their family problems, not our problems.

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          • phtthpP Offline
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            We have a whole life of working, ahead of us. Yes, many years ahead. Thus, Is OK for this young man to take a break, reflect upon what is the meaning of life for him, and take the necessary steps to re-align to the correct path, this time.


            If the degree in Law is a mistake, is ok to take another route. Who in life, doesn’t make any mistake, from cradle to grave? God is fair. God always give 2nd chance. It is all right. Rest if u must, but don’t u quit.

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            • 00skyblue000 Offline
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              slmkhoo\" post_id=\"2131691\" time=\"1711776821\" user_id=\"28674:

              By having different schools and a different \"stream\", the divisions are entrenched earlier and become more permanent. Since MOE has removed the hard line between express/normal acad/normal tech, it's time to have FSBB to incorporate IP level subjects in all sec schools. By putting IP students in separate classes, and even separate schools, it entrenches the belief that they are special and smarter in all subjects, which we all know is a false assumption.

              The main benefit of IP, as I see it, is the removal of 'O' levels because Singaporeans are conditioned to the knee-jerk reaction of taking months to prepare for such exams. If parents and schools can dial down that kind of anxiety, then those extra months could be used for additional enrichment and stretching, at least for some students. Perhaps let the ones who need 4 mths of revision have that kind of support, but let some kids opt out if they don't think they need it.
              I am not so sure abt removing O Level, coz I still believe, for some children, O level is just another check point. It is a known fact that some children and/or parents chose O level schools over IP schools. Yes, likely these are those would not put down everything to cramp for a checkpoint exam. They are those who continue to pursue their passion while taking the exams.

              We were asking earlier would delaying psle reduce the stress on parents and children who are diehard IP and because parents put themselves in charge since children at 11yo would not be mature. But at 14yo, most will be more mature. Let children at 14yo be the driver of their own journey at 14yo instead of 11yo.

              On taking up talent programs or advanced subjects, hopefully more can be done to ensure those talented regardless IP or mainstream can be given the chance to apply more faily and measured by talent, not the label of IP or purely sch results. We all know exam smart is not equivalent to talent.

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              • 00skyblue000 Offline
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                Estéema\" post_id=\"2131686\" time=\"1711770170\" user_id=\"66413:

                In big countries, there’re many opportunities for one to “retire early” into suburbs or small towns, away fr the hustles & bustles of urban life. In SG, wherever we turn, we’re a well developed & continuously developing society. I rmbr a story once told to us abt a WANG top executive, who after holidaying in England, sent a note to quit & wish to enjoy life in the quiet suburbs of the English countryside. His boss was petrified & scramble to negotiate & send contractors to fit up his countryside house (paid for by WANG) with satellites & all gadgets for him to WFH in UK & only attend meetings in the US (he was given shares).

                Not many ppl can live the ideal life to hv handsomely paid work & enjoy a relaxing lifestyle away fr stresses or s’times deep stress.

                Actually, I’m not sure if this generation of the young looked at how hard parents hv to work & goes the 躺平 direction. I recall at one of our mealtimes, DS suggested that he’ll not go into a fix job but wish to go on projects basis to live out his being. I was shocked & had to get into the ‘counseling mode’. So, I started bringing him to reality for him to compute expenses that he had nvr had to struggle to pay for, additional pymts which hv to be set aside which has been parked under parents’ acct, chores that were not undertaken but will eventually be an expense under his own h’hold, etc. Our kids today live under parents roof & very much shielded & live in a cocoon!

                In all of DS schooling after PSLE, except for Yr1 in secondary schooling, I’ve left DS to his own devices willing - working in his own studies, project work, CCA, R&R, etc. I decided he’s quite ready for bldg some abilities to manage to his schedule as he matures. I do peep over at times to see if he needs any uplifting or support. In a way, he had learnt to manage his time & meet deadline stresses on his own. I rmbr consciously leaving him to balance his time so he stretches his own ability to cope with the stresses of balancing studies/projects with 2 CCAs & still gets to sleep by 9pm, as he learns to discipline himself.

                Thankful he had exposures thereafter with several internships in both foreign MNCs & some local science labs, those hv given him experiences in worklife. It was fun when he wld share his encounters patrons whilst waitering & it certainly opened his eyes up to bzmen’s exchanges!

                So, are our kids going into 躺平 mode bcoZ they see how stressed parents had to face worklife or they’re the result of our providing & cocooning them too much?
                I believe it is time we all reflect and review whether the current system and policy and how our society is moving is aligned.
                Reminds me of what bbbay said before, to seek middle ground in life.
                To sprint in early 30 years and get burnout and completely stop or to pace ourselves so we can live till the end without losing ourselves.

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                • 00skyblue000 Offline
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                  At least Mr K completed serving his bond. Another better deserved student could have taken up the scholarship which pastry chef has given up on. Repaying the bond would not compensate the place someone else could benefit from.

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                  • sharonkhooS Offline
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                    00skyblue00\" post_id=\"2131740\" time=\"1711860047\" user_id=\"143605:

                    I am not so sure abt removing O Level, coz I still believe, for some children, O level is just another check point. It is a known fact that some children and/or parents chose O level schools over IP schools. Yes, likely these are those would not put down everything to cramp for a checkpoint exam. They are those who continue to pursue their passion while taking the exams.
                    ...
                    On taking up talent programs or advanced subjects, hopefully more can be done to ensure those talented regardless IP or mainstream can be given the chance to apply more faily and measured by talent, not the label of IP or purely sch results. We all know exam smart is not equivalent to talent.
                    I wasn't thinking about removing O level if all streams were combined - I think it's a good checkpoint for most kids, even those who are now in IP. The only problem, as I see it, is that too many months are spend on preparing for it. How that can be done, I don't know. Maybe let some students opt out and do additional stuff if they feel they don't need so much time spent on revision, even if they take the same exams?

                    And if we apply the FSBB idea and put all kids in the same schools, special programmes etc can just be another offering under the same system. All students would be eligible to apply, and they would be selected based on talent.

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                    • Liew Nga WingL Offline
                      Liew Nga Wing
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                      Rich people have the right to burnout and take time to re think what they want in life…for us, no money, have to pay house loan, PUB bills, daily transportation, meal expenses, some allowance to parents, where got the right to say burnout? I remembered most parents here are advising kids to form family and have babies early, then when kids have their own famililes, how to burn out and stop working to think what they want. I believe what kids want - are to earn more money to support their own families.

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                      • lee_ylL Offline
                        lee_yl
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                        phtthp\" post_id=\"2131738\" time=\"1711857519\" user_id=\"35251:

                        We have a whole life of working, ahead of us. Yes, many years ahead. Thus, Is OK for this young man to take a break, reflect upon what is the meaning of life for him, and take the necessary steps to re-align to the correct path, this time.

                        If the degree in Law is a mistake, is ok to take another route. Who in life, doesn't make any mistake, from cradle to grave? God is fair. God always give 2nd chance. It is all right. Rest if u must, but don't u quit.
                        Could be doing Law is a mistake, or maybe posting to MFA is another mistake or he has an attitude problem, we can’t say for sure cos we all don’t know him.

                        The problem is, he has to serve a 6yr bond unless his parents were willing (and able) to pay for breaking bond like the pastry girl.

                        In fact, I have come across many A level students whose 1st choice in government careers is to go MFA, including my own kid. Maybe it’s the image MFA projects to the public, like interesting to host delegates from all over the world and there is a chance to be posted to another country as an embassy officer.

                        There may be a mismatch between what he imagined MFA to be and the actual work scope or else why would he want to “retire” just 6 mths after starting work? If we minus away the glamorous part of the job, the article mentioned that he needed to make sure visitors’ names were correctly printed on name tags, arranged motorcades and maybe make restaurants reservations. For DH, he said it’s necessary to experience it but definitely not something he would want to do this for the rest of his working life.

                        Not sure why is 2nd posting is to be senior manager with MCI and not just join AGC legal service. I find there is a a total job mismatch for such a brilliant 2nd in Cambridge Law and Best Speaker in debate championship. Unless he himself opt out of joining AGC or else PSC should have let him join AGC instead of letting go of a talent

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