Integrated Programme (IP)
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orchids:
Hi orchids, so far from my memory, got 四大名著 (different year different book, except 红楼梦) and tested, memorise 唐诗,宋词,弟子规 every week and tested.
Hi daisy,
Curious to know what's covered in Chinese Lit, maybe you could provide some highlights here. My dd is also taking HCL but I have yet heard her mentioning anything about literature.
Thanks. -
daisyt:
hi daisytNaturally in SAP schools, the HCL standard is high lor, if not, why bother to be SAP right?
Augmum, my girl enjoys HCL lessons but not Chinese literature and I am very glad, so far, she is doing well for HCL. Same same, Chinese homework is one of the very time consuming one. I am still trying very hard to cultivate her interest in Chinese literature.
Chinese literature is not part of the HCL component in DHS at least NOT for YR1(din hear my gal mention anything abt it)
But they do have extra reading bks like 西游记, 中国历史 which are non-exam, but tested and would be reflected in their report bks as told.
She dislikes remembering those emperors’ names and dynasties.
Yes, very time-consuming doing HCL HW, which includes essays writing, newspaper’s article, sometimes journal.
Btw, DHS GPA grading system differs slightly fr RV
A+ -> GPA 4.0 for 80 and above
A -> GPA of 3.6 for 70 and above
B -> GPA of 2.8 for 60 and above ,
so when comes to getting a “B” GPA not proportionally decrease.
That’s y I mentioned that her HCL is pulling her overall GPA down.
she dislikes HCl probaby becos DHS marking system is very strict, hard to score,
even non of the students' model essays which the teachers praised could obtain a A+ -
jtoh:
jtoh,.....yes their std is high....
Wow, the standard of HCL at DHS is really high. I wonder if it's that tough at HCI/NYGH too.
most of those PSLE pupils who are scoring a A* for CL,
when comes to DHS, ended up getting a \"B\" for HCL -
Augmum:
I see. I'm wondering if the standard's so high in other SAP schools too. My friend's dd in Nanyang who according to her mother is weak in Chinese, only did CL in primary school and scored A, says she's doing fine in HCL in Nanyang.
jtoh,.....yes their std is high....jtoh:
Wow, the standard of HCL at DHS is really high. I wonder if it's that tough at HCI/NYGH too.
most of those PSLE pupils who are scoring a A* for CL,
when comes to DHS, ended up getting a \"B\" for HCL -
daisyt:
四大名著 = 西游记, 红楼梦, 三国演义, 水浒传 right ? abridged version ?
Hi orchids, so far from my memory, got 四大名著 (different year different book, except 红楼梦) and tested, memorise 唐诗,宋词,弟子规 every week and tested.orchids:
Hi daisy,
Curious to know what's covered in Chinese Lit, maybe you could provide some highlights here. My dd is also taking HCL but I have yet heard her mentioning anything about literature.
Thanks.
弟子规 is there any extended version from what has been done at NYPS ? -
jtoh:
I see. I'm wondering if the standard's so high in other SAP schools too. My friend's dd in Nanyang who according to her mother is weak in Chinese, only did CL in primary school and scored A, says she's doing fine in HCL in Nanyang.[/quote]My ds did HCL in primary school and his standard was just average. When he first entered HCI, I noticed there is a very big jump in standard for HCL. He struggled a bit in the beginning but is coping well now.
jtoh,.....yes their std is high....Augmum:
[quote=\"jtoh\"]
Wow, the standard of HCL at DHS is really high. I wonder if it's that tough at HCI/NYGH too.
most of those PSLE pupils who are scoring a A* for CL,
when comes to DHS, ended up getting a \"B\" for HCL -
verykiasu2010:
四大名著 = 西游记, 红楼梦, 三国演义, 水浒传 right ? abridged version ?
Hi orchids, so far from my memory, got 四大名著 (different year different book, except 红楼梦) and tested, memorise 唐诗,宋词,弟子规 every week and tested.daisyt:
[quote=\"orchids\"]
Hi daisy,
Curious to know what's covered in Chinese Lit, maybe you could provide some highlights here. My dd is also taking HCL but I have yet heard her mentioning anything about literature.
Thanks.
弟子规 is there any extended version from what has been done at NYPS ?[/quote]Yes, except 红楼梦. Yes abridged version, more to those 青少年 version.
I think 弟子规 no extended version bah. I saw in popular version for primary kids are with han yu pin ying and cute drawings. One I saw even have a VCD. -
daisyt:
Yes, except 红楼梦. Yes abridged version, more to those 青少年 version.
四大名著 = 西游记, 红楼梦, 三国演义, 水浒传 right ? abridged version ?verykiasu2010:
[quote=\"daisyt\"]
Hi orchids, so far from my memory, got 四大名著 (different year different book, except 红楼梦) and tested, memorise 唐诗,宋词,弟子规 every week and tested.
弟子规 is there any extended version from what has been done at NYPS ?
I think 弟子规 no extended version bah. I saw in popular version for primary kids are with han yu pin ying and cute drawings. One I saw even have a VCD.[/quote]Thank you ! -
daisyt:
For year 1 and 2, its part of HCL.jtoh:
Is Chinese Lit a separate subject at your dd's school? Or is it part of HCL?
For year 3 onwards, its seperate, optional.Augmum:
would like to make a ammendment with regards to my previous above posting abt HCL and chinese literature
hi daisytdaisyt:
Naturally in SAP schools, the HCL standard is high lor, if not, why bother to be SAP right?
Augmum, my girl enjoys HCL lessons but not Chinese literature and I am very glad, so far, she is doing well for HCL. Same same, Chinese homework is one of the very time consuming one. I am still trying very hard to cultivate her interest in Chinese literature.
Chinese literature is not part of the HCL component in DHS at least NOT for YR1(din hear my gal mention anything abt it)
But they do have extra reading bks like 西游记, 中国历史 which are non-exam, but tested and would be reflected in their report bks as told.
She dislikes remembering those emperors’ names and dynasties.
Yes, very time-consuming doing HCL HW, which includes essays writing, newspaper’s article, sometimes journal.
made a small mistake here.......
chinese literature in DHS such as 西游记, not a separate subject
but assignments given based on this book are graded
so it does contribute to a small percentage towards the EOY marks of HCL
just like the rest of the assignments for HCL
whereas bks like 中国历史 and other cultural stuff
non-exam subject, but reflected in the report bk, so still have to study , as it would not be nice to get a \"failed\" printed on the report bk. :lol:
too many \"sub subjects\" / programmes which i am losing track of some -
hi parents, do any of you happen to have the syllabus for IP? thks in advance
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wikil0v3:
hi parents, do any of you happen to have the syllabus for IP? thks in advance
I think it varies from school to school although there are probably MOE guidelines and considerable overlap. -
I understand many parents wish to see their children attend top secondary schools, top JCs and graduate from there with excellent set of results. However if the children are not capable enough to do so, the parents will try to use the DSA route to achieve the aim.
Everything is ok if they achieve a certain academic standard throughout. From my experiences, many of them make frequent visits to the Principal’s office together with their parents throughout the years. DSA is a dirty word among the JC content tutors and we often lament whenever we have one under our tutelage.
As much as parents through their children ‘made use’ of our name and prestige to go around boasting, the schools wring every bit of whatever ‘talent’ a student has to bring glory to them. In the end, it is often the students who are the losing end.
Please take note of the following pointers if you are intending to use the DSA route.
1. From this year onward, there is an unwritten MOE ruling if a DSA students cannot make it to its affiliated JC, eg. RI to RI(JC) due to poor academic results, that student cannot go to any other non-IP JCs to take A-level. Period. He/she must take IB exam instead or hope very hard the other JCs which have IP programme can accept him/her.
2. If a student does make it to its affiliated JCs, there is NO guarantee he/she can take the National examinations as a school candidate. I’ve many cases of them doing as private candidates while the rest of the classmates as school candidates. I’m sure the readers will know why. Want to complain to MOE or sue the school? Too bad there is a contractual agreement between the school and the student.
Hence is DSA good? I’ve DSA students who excelled and went on to do medicine. I’ve students too who stayed in JCs for 4 years and ended up with not even a cert. The school proudly showcases the trophies but the people who helped to achieve are just ‘expendables’ that can be replenish every year.
It is a risky road to take. Which student can take such route and eventually succeed the parents must determine with an unbiased, untainted approach. -
him4mixer:
can point to us the hyperlink (source of info, from MOE)?I understand many parents wish to see their children attend top secondary schools, top JCs and graduate from there with excellent set of results. However if the children are not capable enough to do so, the parents will try to use the DSA route to achieve the aim.
Everything is ok if they achieve a certain academic standard throughout. From my experiences, many of them make frequent visits to the Principal's office together with their parents throughout the years. DSA is a dirty word among the JC content tutors and we often lament whenever we have one under our tutelage.
As much as parents through their children 'made use' of our name and prestige to go around boasting, the schools wring every bit of whatever 'talent' a student has to bring glory to them. In the end, it is often the students who are the losing end.
Please take note of the following pointers if you are intending to use the DSA route.
1. From this year onward, there is an unwritten MOE ruling if a DSA students cannot make it to its affiliated JC, eg. RI to RI(JC) due to poor academic results, that student cannot go to any other non-IP JCs to take A-level. Period. He/she must take IB exam instead or hope very hard the other JCs which have IP programme can accept him/her.
2. If a student does make it to its affiliated JCs, there is NO guarantee he/she can take the National examinations as a school candidate. I've many cases of them doing as private candidates while the rest of the classmates as school candidates. I'm sure the readers will know why. Want to complain to MOE or sue the school? Too bad there is a contractual agreement between the school and the student.
Hence is DSA good? I've DSA students who excelled and went on to do medicine. I've students too who stayed in JCs for 4 years and ended up with not even a cert. The school proudly showcases the trophies but the people who helped to achieve are just 'expendables' that can be replenish every year.
It is a risky road to take. Which student can take such route and eventually succeed the parents must determine with an unbiased, untainted approach.
anyway, nowadays for students in IP Secondary schools -
Every year, they have PMT (Parents meet Tr) session.
Form Tr will feedback to the parents, regularly : whether their child able to cope so far in their IP curriculum or not, from Y1 to Y4.
If the child really can't cope, be it via Dsa or via Psle T-score entry into the IP Sec school : both parents & child will be alerted during regular PMT meet up session, to switch over to O level at end of Y2, or exit to Polytechnic at end of Y4.
After getting in, IP students have 2 years (Y1 to Y2) to try out the IP programme, see if suitable, or not. If not suitable, they can switch to O level, at end of Y2.
Different IP schools : the IP curriculum, may vary. -
In my opinion, i feel it’s better to choose an IP school with dual track(meaning there are o level classes too) if the child is not top 5 in school consistently.
The reality is IP syllabus is tough. My dd said she can see a few of her friends already struggling in the IP even though it’s just the start of the year. One has just dropped out of Japanese(3rd Language) as she couldnt take the stress of juggling the heavy workload.
Hence, if parents think IP is a breeze, let me tell you it’s not. It’s really for those who are academically more gifted as there’s really no time for mutiple subjects tuition. If the child is an independent and motivated learner besides being academically-inclined, then IP is very suitable for the child. -
whitecarrotcake:
:nailbite:In my opinion, i feel it's better to choose an IP school with dual track(meaning there are o level classes too) if the child is not top 5 in school consistently.
The reality is IP syllabus is tough. My dd said she can see a few of her friends already struggling in the IP even though it's just the start of the year. One has just dropped out of Japanese(3rd Language) as she couldnt take the stress of juggling the heavy workload.
Hence, if parents think IP is a breeze, let me tell you it's not. It's really for those who are academically more gifted as there's really no time for mutiple subjects tuition. If the child is an independent and motivated learner besides being academically-inclined, then IP is very suitable for the child. -
him4mixer:
I recently heard of a real life case where the dd in an IP school (DSAed through sports) could not make it to its affiliated JC. She had been failing every year since sec 1 (and then pushed up, i.e., passed after re-exam, or something like that), and there was no O level class during her year for her to go to (I think the O level class started the year after her year). After sec 4, since cannot make it to the affiliated JC, tried to appeal to another non-IP JC. That JC principal accepted, but MOE stepped in and say no, the dd cannot go to any other JC to take A-level. I think the dd in the end went to poly...
1. From this year onward, there is an unwritten MOE ruling if a DSA students cannot make it to its affiliated JC, eg. RI to RI(JC) due to poor academic results, that student cannot go to any other non-IP JCs to take A-level. Period. He/she must take IB exam instead or hope very hard the other JCs which have IP programme can accept him/her. -
mommyNg:
I recently heard of a real life case where the dd in an IP school (DSAed through sports) could not make it to its affiliated JC. She had been failing every year since sec 1 (and then pushed up, i.e., passed after re-exam, or something like that), and there was no O level class during her year for her to go to (I think the O level class started the year after her year). After sec 4, since cannot make it to the affiliated JC, tried to appeal to another non-IP JC. That JC principal accepted, but MOE stepped in and say no, the dd cannot go to any other JC to take A-level. I think the dd in the end went to poly...
:yikes:
I am shocked! -
mommyNg:
Is this made known to the students in their DSA offer letter?
I recently heard of a real life case where the dd in an IP school (DSAed through sports) could not make it to its affiliated JC. She had been failing every year since sec 1 (and then pushed up, i.e., passed after re-exam, or something like that), and there was no O level class during her year for her to go to (I think the O level class started the year after her year). After sec 4, since cannot make it to the affiliated JC, tried to appeal to another non-IP JC. That JC principal accepted, but MOE stepped in and say no, the dd cannot go to any other JC to take A-level. I think the dd in the end went to poly...him4mixer:
1. From this year onward, there is an unwritten MOE ruling if a DSA students cannot make it to its affiliated JC, eg. RI to RI(JC) due to poor academic results, that student cannot go to any other non-IP JCs to take A-level. Period. He/she must take IB exam instead or hope very hard the other JCs which have IP programme can accept him/her.
Does the above practice (no transfer to other JC) apply to IP applicants who gets accepted via the Sec Sch JAE?
Anyone with personal experience or first hand infor to share? TIA -
mommyNg:
Why did MOE step in to say \"No\", after Principal of the non-IP JC wanted to accept her ?
I recently heard of a real life case where the dd in an IP school (DSAed through sports) could not make it to its affiliated JC. She had been failing every year since sec 1 (and then pushed up, i.e., passed after re-exam, or something like that), and there was no O level class during her year for her to go to (I think the O level class started the year after her year).
After sec 4, since cannot make it to the affiliated JC, tried to appeal to another non-IP JC.
That JC principal accepted, but MOE stepped in and say no, the dd cannot go to any other JC to take A-level.
I think the dd in the end went to poly...
What was the reason behind why MOE say \"No\" ?
Is it because she entered the IP JC by DSA, hence cannot ?
If she had entered by Psle T-score instead of DSA route, then MOE would have let her go through ?
Is this the difference between enter by Psle T-score road, vs. DSA road ?
Or do we interpret as -
regardless of whether enter by (DSA or Psle T-score) :
As long as Secondary school (Y1 to Y4 pupils from RGS girls / RI boys) are academically weak, they cannot transfer out to any other JC to do Y5 & Y6 \"A\" level, since they quickly trying to exit, get out of RI \"A\" level as they no longer can cope ?
This is a new ruling ? -
phtthp:
Not sure why she was accepted by the other JC....I assume it's coz of her sport?
Why did MOE step in to say \"No\", after Principal of the non-IP JC wanted to accept her ?mommyNg:
I recently heard of a real life case where the dd in an IP school (DSAed through sports) could not make it to its affiliated JC. She had been failing every year since sec 1 (and then pushed up, i.e., passed after re-exam, or something like that), and there was no O level class during her year for her to go to (I think the O level class started the year after her year).
After sec 4, since cannot make it to the affiliated JC, tried to appeal to another non-IP JC.
That JC principal accepted, but MOE stepped in and say no, the dd cannot go to any other JC to take A-level.
I think the dd in the end went to poly...
What was the reason behind why MOE say \"No\" ?
Is it because she entered the IP JC by DSA, hence cannot ?
If she had entered by Psle T-score instead of DSA route, then MOE would have let her go through ?
Is this the difference between enter by Psle T-score road, vs. DSA road ?
Or do we interpret as -
regardless of whether enter by (DSA or Psle T-score) :
As long as Secondary school (Y1 to Y4 pupils from RGS girls / RI boys) are academically weak, they cannot transfer out to any other JC to do Y5 & Y6 \"A\" level, since they quickly trying to exit, get out of RI \"A\" level as they no longer can cope ?
This is a new ruling ?
But it doesn't make sense to continue in the JC route coz she had been failing since sec1...definitely way behind and very unlikely to be able to cope with JC.