PM Lawrence Wong's NDR - Education Portions
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@bbbay I guess the issue is always about calibration. Some exposure is good. But what does ‘controlled manner’ look like? It looks different to different people. Some people will say 10% foreign students in top schools is okay; others can tolerate 20%, yet there will be others who feel 5% suffices. It’s not so easy to control especially if S1 and JAE are determined by examination scores as it is not possible to always predict the outcomes.
It’s the same with university places in Singapore. I imagine few Singaporeans will be able to tolerate having 50% of subsidized university places going to foreigners, especially if their kids narrowly miss a spot.
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@bbbay said in PM Lawrence Wong's NDR - Education Portions:
I agree sentiment wise is hard to manage. Our next generations will be the ones to face the problem, if our citizen number continue to shrink and not replenish by quality people. LKY said it’s an existential issue. For us, we just make do a little. Forego first place sometimes and settle for the second place, in return for continuous prosperity
Hope I didn’t interpret wrongly, for continuous prosperity in return, we have to be 老二 in our own country? Who’s number 1 then? The new citizen-talents? If we have this type of mentality, it’s just a matter of time Singapore will be eaten up by PRCs.
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Back in 2019/2020 around 5% of students in pre Uni schools were foreigners. In polytechnics and autonomous universities it was 10%.
https://www.moe.gov.sg/news/parliamentary-replies/20210511-number-of-overseas-singaporean-students-and-international-students-in-singapore#:~:text=Response,AUs)%20in%202019%20and%202020.
This % can be controlled by limiting the number of student/employment passes I suppose.
Foreigners pay much higher fees than local when they study in Singapore.
Our private Uni take in a lot of the foreigners too
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It is to take in more foreigners that can assimilate into our society to become citizen. And only citizens can vote and govern. If a foreigner born student is granted citizenship and is better than my child, in say medicine course selection , I will still be happy because one day I will need medical cares and knowing the doctor attending to me is the best.
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@bbbay said in PM Lawrence Wong's NDR - Education Portions:
It is to take in more foreigners that can assimilate into our society to become citizen. And only citizens can vote and govern. If a foreigner born student is granted citizenship and is better than my child, in say medicine course selection , I will still be happy because one day I will need medical cares and knowing the doctor attending to me is the best.
Can the foreigners assimilate into our society? Or do they form enclaves and import their national politics and cognitive bias causing all these discord and ground unhappiness?
When their numbers are small, still possible to imagine the larger local population assimilating and integrating them gradually while the second generation after going through the national schools and NS (for guys) are better assimilated. However when the numbers of new migrants reach a critical mass they will only move around in their own circles (even at the workplace or even schools) resulting in enclaves formed, not assimilation.
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Giving out scholarships to attract PRC students to come Singapore to study is one way to attract talents.
What caught my eyes is these scholarships are “bond free”. The group of students will start schooling here from sec 3 to JC2 (4yrs duration). Friend sent me a post on Rednote (aka XHS) yesterday about this PRC girl who came over to join RGS then from there she moved on to apply to go MIT. Heard from my friend, there are so many such examples on Rednote. Because of social media, the more one reads, the more one can’t help to feel that Singapore is the playground for PRCians.
If they study here and are grateful to our govt, willing to take up SG citizenship to serve Singapore, I don’t think Singaporeans would say things like “don’t treat us like a fool”
Why these PRC scholars so lucky hor, getting world class education here for 4yrs and yet bond free, but Singaporeans taking up Govt scholarships need to serve a bond of 4-6yrs?
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@bbbay said in PM Lawrence Wong's NDR - Education Portions:
Back in 2019/2020 around 5% of students in pre Uni schools were foreigners. In polytechnics and autonomous universities it was 10%.
https://www.moe.gov.sg/news/parliamentary-replies/20210511-number-of-overseas-singaporean-students-and-international-students-in-singapore#:~:text=Response,AUs)%20in%202019%20and%202020.
This % can be controlled by limiting the number of student/employment passes I suppose.
Foreigners pay much higher fees than local when they study in Singapore.
Our private Uni take in a lot of the foreigners too
It is a matter of calibration. 10% of university places may be okay with you, but if you are the SC student who narrowly missed getting into a course of your choice at NUS or NTU, you may feel that the foreigner percentage should reduce to 5% instead so you stood a good chance. On the other hand, others may feel that 10% is too gentle and not reflective of the Singapore work place which is easily more than 20% foreigners in many work places.
Of course I think the sentiments are exacerbated because a large proportion of foreign students in our universities are receiving scholarships of sorts.
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@lee_yl said in PM Lawrence Wong's NDR - Education Portions:
Giving out scholarships to attract PRC students to come Singapore to study is one way to attract talents.
What caught my eyes is these scholarships are “bond free”. The group of students will start schooling here from sec 3 to JC2 (4yrs duration). Friend sent me a post on Rednote (aka XHS) yesterday about this PRC girl who came over to join RGS then from there she moved on to apply to go MIT. Heard from my friend, there are so many such examples on Rednote. Because of social media, the more one reads, the more one can’t help to feel that Singapore is the playground for PRCians.
If they study here and are grateful to our govt, willing to take up SG citizenship to serve Singapore, I don’t think Singaporeans would say things like “don’t treat us like a fool”
Why these PRC scholars so lucky hor, getting world class education here for 4yrs and yet bond free, but Singaporeans taking up Govt scholarships need to serve a bond of 4-6yrs?
Maybe we need to differentiate scholarships at the university level, and school level. There is generally no bond for PRC or ASEAN scholars at the schooling level; similar to SCs who receive ‘scholarships’ like the EESIS or MOE Pre-University Scholarship though of course the terms aren’t great compared to the scholarships that the PRCs/ASEAN scholars enjoy.
For university scholarships and those on tuition grants, foreigners will have to serve a service obligation in Singapore. I can’t recall how long - is it three years? They can work for any employer, but the employer must be a Singapore company. Singaporeans can also apply for various scholarships at the university level, some which come with bonds, and others, not.
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