Compare RGS vs NYGH

[mommyNg]

ksi:

According to jtoh, MOE website provides MEAN, not MEDIAN.
Mean = average
Median = the middle number after you put all the aggregates in ascending order

In my opinion, both statistics are not so clear in understanding the trend especially if the mean difference is only 1, 268 versus 267 because the total number of applicants are not equal in both instances. If MOE can provide the MODE statistics instead, then it becomes clearer. MODE gives you the highest number of a certain aggregate, at least the absolute aggregate is taken and not a calculated number like in MEAN.

MOE website provides BOTH mean and median. Each statistic provides some information but not others, so even MODE is insufficient to understand the complete picture. Best if MOE gives the frequency distribution chart!!!

[verykiasu2010]

tree nymph:

jtoh:

It's probably the first time NYGH has had a higher COP than RGS in a long while. We'll have to see if the trend continues or if it was just a one-off incident. Last year apparently a lot of NYPS girls decided to go to NYGH because their primary school Principal went over to NYGH. This, plus the fact that NYGH's COP for NYPS girls is 250 meant that a quite a number of spaces were taken up by affliation.

Usually the afflication will lower down the COP of the school? since they give 'discounts' to afflicated gals right?

So that means there are a good number of gals with very high PSLE scores chose NYGH over RGS.

Actually it does seem to me that NYGH is getting more and more popular.

even for affiliation, as far as NYGH and NYPS is concerned, the minimum is 250. so affiliation is 250, below 250 - no affiliation

[mommyNg]

Also, the fact that NYGH accepts students with lower PSLE scores (e.g. those with affiliation) than RGS, and that NYGH/HCI continues to groom, educate and produce excellent students, that must say something about the school and the teachers right? Actually this point was raised by some other KSPs in other threads (I think the St. Nicks vs SCGS/MGS thread, maybe?)

[verykiasu2010]

jtoh:

tree nymph:

[quote=\"jtoh\"]

It's probably the first time NYGH has had a higher COP than RGS in a long while. We'll have to see if the trend continues or if it was just a one-off incident. Last year apparently a lot of NYPS girls decided to go to NYGH because their primary school Principal went over to NYGH. This, plus the fact that NYGH's COP for NYPS girls is 250 meant that a quite a number of spaces were taken up by affliation.

Usually the afflication will lower down the COP of the school? since they give 'discounts' to afflicated gals right?

So that means there are a good number of gals with very high PSLE scores chose NYGH over RGS.

Actually it does seem to me that NYGH is getting more and more popular.

True, but my point was (I wasn't clear in my explanation) that last year a lot of NYPS girls chose to go to NYGH compared to other years because they liked the principal. And because they could get in based on lower affiliation scores, more places were taken up. Hence there were fewer places left for non-affiliates. So those few who managed to get in were the top few thereby leading to a higher COP for NYGH last year.

Out of curiosity I checked out the statistics for PSLE aggregate scores of both NY and RGS for 2009.

Nanyang
Lowest non-affiliated 263
Highest non-affiliated 283
Non-affliated mean 268

Lowest affiliated 250
Highest affiliated 276
Mean affliated 257

RGS
Lowest 260
Highest 285
Mean 267

If you look at the highest aggregates, RGS is 285 vs NYGH 283, so the top girls are still choosing RGS over NYGH. Also, this list does not include those who got in via DSA. Most of the top 10 PSLE girls are in RGS.

That said, NY is probably gaining popularity and it'll be interesting to see what happens this year.[/quote]
good points

BTW, those scores above 280 can be counted with all the fingers on one hand, boys included

a more representative measure is to see the median score

[Busymom]

mommyNg:

Also, the fact that NYGH accepts students with lower PSLE scores (e.g. those with affiliation) than RGS, and that NYGH/HCI continues to groom, educate and produce excellent students, that must say something about the school and the teachers right? Actually this point was raised by some other KSPs in other threads (I think the St. Nicks vs SCGS/MGS thread, maybe?)

Then one needs to see the A' level results of NYGH/HCI vs RI then.

[verykiasu2010]

ksi:

mommyNg:

[quote=\"tree nymph\"]

Usually the afflication will lower down the COP of the school? since they give 'discounts' to afflicated gals right?

So that means there are a good number of gals with very high PSLE scores chose NYGH over RGS.

Actually it does seem to me that NYGH is getting more and more popular.

There is a separate COP for affiliation (MOE website). For non-affiliation, NYGH lowest (COP) is 263, highest is 283, and median (half of the pupils) is 268. Compared to RGS lowest is 260, highest is 285 and median is 266. So it does seem that more students with better scores chose NYGH over RGS. As for affiliation, NYGH lowest is 250, highest is 276, and median is 257. So quite a number of high scorers from NYPS also went to NYGH.

According to jtoh, MOE website provides MEAN, not MEDIAN.
Mean = average
Median = the middle number after you put all the aggregates in ascending order

In my opinion, both statistics are not so clear in understanding the trend especially if the mean difference is only 1, 268 versus 267 because the total number of applicants are not equal in both instances. If MOE can provide the MODE statistics instead, then it becomes clearer. MODE gives you the highest number of a certain aggregate, at least the absolute aggregate is taken and not a calculated number like in MEAN.[/quote]
MOE stats provide median scores

[verykiasu2010]

Busymom:

mommyNg:

Also, the fact that NYGH accepts students with lower PSLE scores (e.g. those with affiliation) than RGS, and that NYGH/HCI continues to groom, educate and produce excellent students, that must say something about the school and the teachers right? Actually this point was raised by some other KSPs in other threads (I think the St. Nicks vs SCGS/MGS thread, maybe?)

Then one needs to see the A' level results of NYGH/HCI vs RI then.

both claim to produce lots of president scholars, direct admission to overseas unis, lots and lots of A*star, PSC scholars, etc ......the numbers are numbing

[mommyNg]

verykiasu2010:

Busymom:

[quote=\"mommyNg\"]Also, the fact that NYGH accepts students with lower PSLE scores (e.g. those with affiliation) than RGS, and that NYGH/HCI continues to groom, educate and produce excellent students, that must say something about the school and the teachers right? Actually this point was raised by some other KSPs in other threads (I think the St. Nicks vs SCGS/MGS thread, maybe?)

Then one needs to see the A' level results of NYGH/HCI vs RI then.

both claim to produce lots of president scholars, direct admission to overseas unis, lots and lots of A*star, PSC scholars, etc ......the numbers are numbing[/quote]Ha ha, you are right. For me, if my DD has the luxury of the facing the problem of choosing between RGS and NYGH, I'll be more than happy for her to make her own decision! Each of the two schools has its own strengths and weaknesses, its own culture and values. No one will go wrong in choosing either! To me, I think the decision would be made based on which is a better match with my DD's interests then (academic & CCA-wise). I won't want to count my chickens before they hatch!

[corneyAmber]

verykiasu2010:

Busymom:

[quote=\"mommyNg\"]Also, the fact that NYGH accepts students with lower PSLE scores (e.g. those with affiliation) than RGS, and that NYGH/HCI continues to groom, educate and produce excellent students, that must say something about the school and the teachers right? Actually this point was raised by some other KSPs in other threads (I think the St. Nicks vs SCGS/MGS thread, maybe?)

Then one needs to see the A' level results of NYGH/HCI vs RI then.

both claim to produce lots of president scholars, direct admission to overseas unis, lots and lots of A*star, PSC scholars, etc ......the numbers are numbing[/quote]Here's the track record in concrete terms.
http://www.pscscholarships.gov.sg/SCHOLARS_SPEAK/SCHOLARS.htm

2009 and 2004 were the only years without RGS girls as president scholars from 2002-2009 and 2009 was the only year with 1 NYGH girl as president scholar. The trend may be changing but based on past output, RGS has established itself with a solid track record.

[verykiasu2010]

ksi:

verykiasu2010:

[quote=\"Busymom\"]
Then one needs to see the A' level results of NYGH/HCI vs RI then.

both claim to produce lots of president scholars, direct admission to overseas unis, lots and lots of A*star, PSC scholars, etc ......the numbers are numbing

Here's the track record in concrete terms.
http://www.pscscholarships.gov.sg/SCHOLARS_SPEAK/SCHOLARS.htm

2009 and 2004 were the only years without RGS girls as president scholars from 2002-2009 and 2009 was the only year with 1 NYGH girl as president scholar. The trend may be changing but based on past output, RGS has established itself with a solid track record.[/quote]no doubt about it

the pity of NYGH Is that their girls become Hwa Chong girls in every achievements obtained after Sec 4.