7 New IP schools

[phankao]

WeiHan:

jtoh:

[quote=\"WeiHan\"]Some of the schools that didn't get IP status have some of their top students draining away in the last few years. Examples are Saint Nick, SCGS etc...


Concern about IP in these schools that have smaller pocket of \"university bounded\" students is that they will not have enough threshold number of students to offer all the A level subjects. For example, if the school has only 50 students doing IP, and out of this 50 students, 15 want to do humanities subjects like literature, history, geography and 35 wants to do science subjects. And when under humanities subjects and science subjects, there are many more subject combinations. Will MOE just send teachers to teach classes with just a few to 10 students? Wouldn't it be very resource taxing. This problem is OK for ACSI because they are independent school and rich and can employ extra teachers to handle the situation. Will the subject combinations in these smaller IP schools be restricted then?

You raise a valid point. I suppose these schools have to find the right partner in an established JC. Hence MGS-ACJC/ACSI or SJI/CJC seem obvious and natural choices.

Partnering up with their respective affiliated JCs is more easily said than done. They are in different locations. And if Saint Nick, Cat High and SJi going to partner up with CJC, there will be four locations and you will end up with same resource problem. Moreover IP programme is not supposed to be just about \"skipping O levels\", it should be a SEAMLESS education from sec1 to JC2. If they are going to let each schools run their own IP programme and then just skip the O level and then join the affiliated JC, there isn't much change in real substance and it defeat the purpose.[/quote]I remember for CHS & SNGS & SJI, one of the original proposal they had for IP submitted to MOE just before the IP applications closed some years ago, was for students of these 3 schools to eg. continue to year 5 or 6 in CHS or SJI. That's a little like the NYGH model. Even RGS goes to RI for year 5 or 6 now at a totally different location.

I like the extra option. I don't hope my ds2 go to HCI for example bc of certain reasons not related to the academic side and hopes he remains he chS, so with the option of IP, it'd be good. Whether he makes it into the stream, well, that's another story that is really up to him.

[ApronMama]

powershengyang:

This is because if students whom are faring badly enter IP, they would most likely fail the \"A\" levels and be unemplyed for most times in this highly competitive world. Their highest education would be the PSLE as they will not have the \"O\" levels to \"back them up\".

If an IP student has been doing fine in the course and for some reason, eg gfbf issues, do badly in the 'A' level, they should be given a second chance to stay in the same school to re-do 'A' level.

[wonderm]

phankao:

WeiHan:

[quote=\"jtoh\"]
You raise a valid point. I suppose these schools have to find the right partner in an established JC. Hence MGS-ACJC/ACSI or SJI/CJC seem obvious and natural choices.

Partnering up with their respective affiliated JCs is more easily said than done. They are in different locations. And if Saint Nick, Cat High and SJi going to partner up with CJC, there will be four locations and you will end up with same resource problem. Moreover IP programme is not supposed to be just about \"skipping O levels\", it should be a SEAMLESS education from sec1 to JC2. If they are going to let each schools run their own IP programme and then just skip the O level and then join the affiliated JC, there isn't much change in real substance and it defeat the purpose.

I remember for CHS & SNGS & SJI, one of the original proposal they had for IP submitted to MOE just before the IP applications closed some years ago, was for students of these 3 schools to eg. continue to year 5 or 6 in CHS or SJI. That's a little like the NYGH model. Even RGS goes to RI for year 5 or 6 now at a totally different location.
[/quote]I thought NYGH does not have its own Year 5 and 6?

[phankao]

jtoh:

I see the new 7 IPs as more like 2nd tier IP schools. So if there's any dilution in COP for IP schools, they're more likely for the less popular existing IP schools.

So ACS(I) is a 2nd-tier IP school in your eyes?

[jtoh]

phankao:

jtoh:

I see the new 7 IPs as more like 2nd tier IP schools. So if there's any dilution in COP for IP schools, they're more likely for the less popular existing IP schools.

So ACS(I) is a 2nd-tier IP school in your eyes?

I'd say RI/RGS and HCI/NYGH are head and shoulders above the rest. ACS(I) is working very hard to join the ranks but is still not up there with them, in my opinion.

[powershengyang]

ApronMama:

powershengyang:

This is because if students whom are faring badly enter IP, they would most likely fail the \"A\" levels and be unemplyed for most times in this highly competitive world. Their highest education would be the PSLE as they will not have the \"O\" levels to \"back them up\".

If an IP student has been doing fine in the course and for some reason, eg gfbf issues, do badly in the 'A' level, they should be given a second chance to stay in the same school to re-do 'A' level.

Maybe they should consider the option but wont it seem unfair to others? If a student usually does well, all A1s, the worst he can do is maybe all C5s. The government would not let people retain because of this as you still pass. Those wh maybe have an average of F9 should have the chance to retain but there will be just this feeling of unfairness in the hearts of the other pupils

[phankao]

wonderm:

phankao:

I remember for CHS & SNGS & SJI, one of the original proposal they had for IP submitted to MOE just before the IP applications closed some years ago, was for students of these 3 schools to eg. continue to year 5 or 6 in CHS or SJI. That's a little like the NYGH model. Even RGS goes to RI for year 5 or 6 now at a totally different location.

I thought NYGH does not have its own Year 5 and 6?

Yes, NYGH goes on to HCI across the road. RGS as well, no year 5 & 6.

[phankao]

jtoh:

phankao:

[quote=\"jtoh\"]I see the new 7 IPs as more like 2nd tier IP schools. So if there's any dilution in COP for IP schools, they're more likely for the less popular existing IP schools.

So ACS(I) is a 2nd-tier IP school in your eyes?

I'd say RI/RGS and HCI/NYGH are head and shoulders above the rest. ACS(I) is working very hard to join the ranks but is still not up there with them, in my opinion.[/quote]OK, yes - but GEP students still apply to ACS(I), altho' it might mostly be their own ACS boys?

But if from that affiliated pri school, i'd also prefer my child to go on to that sec school if the IP option is available.

[jtoh]

phankao:

jtoh:

[quote=\"phankao\"]
So ACS(I) is a 2nd-tier IP school in your eyes?

I'd say RI/RGS and HCI/NYGH are head and shoulders above the rest. ACS(I) is working very hard to join the ranks but is still not up there with them, in my opinion.

OK, yes - but GEP students still apply to ACS(I), altho' it might mostly be their own ACS boys?

But if from that affiliated pri school, i'd also prefer my child to go on to that sec school if the IP option is available.[/quote]I believe quite a few GEP students from ACS Primary move on to RI. Not sure why. Although many of them do stay on as I would expect them to, being true blue ACSians.

[phankao]

jtoh:

phankao:

[quote=\"jtoh\"]
I'd say RI/RGS and HCI/NYGH are head and shoulders above the rest. ACS(I) is working very hard to join the ranks but is still not up there with them, in my opinion.

OK, yes - but GEP students still apply to ACS(I), altho' it might mostly be their own ACS boys?

But if from that affiliated pri school, i'd also prefer my child to go on to that sec school if the IP option is available.

I believe quite a few GEP students from ACS Primary move on to RI. Not sure why. Although many of them do stay on as I would expect them to, being true blue ACSians.[/quote]
Yes, my friend's son went from aCS to RI - who can resist?