7 New IP schools
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dunnoleh:
more correct to say it is a policy fine tuning to suit the ever changing demands of the market place
I hope it is not trueksi:
...I have not caught up with all the detail discussion here yet but based on the above posting, I agree the these IP schools are born to ease the MT reduction issue. This will make less people feel that they are penalized from having a university education just because of MT alone. I think it is prettclause and prudent of the gahmen to try to address this issue in an alternative way instead of leaving it as pent-up frustrations and forcing the richer folks to seek elsewhere for their tertiary education or in the extreme cases, migrate due to education.
--- that too many rich kids have problems with MT(even with expensive home tuition?)
--- that this problem is big enough to justify a major policy shift. -
verykiasu2010:
more correct to say it is a policy fine tuning to suit the ever changing demands of the market place[/quote] orh... now i understand
I hope it is not truedunnoleh:
[quote=\"ksi\"]...I have not caught up with all the detail discussion here yet but based on the above posting, I agree the these IP schools are born to ease the MT reduction issue. This will make less people feel that they are penalized from having a university education just because of MT alone. I think it is prettclause and prudent of the gahmen to try to address this issue in an alternative way instead of leaving it as pent-up frustrations and forcing the richer folks to seek elsewhere for their tertiary education or in the extreme cases, migrate due to education.
--- that too many rich kids have problems with MT(even with expensive home tuition?)
--- that this problem is big enough to justify a major policy shift.
from \"no more IP schools\" to \"7 new IP schools\"
is just policy fine tuning.
small matter la. :shock: -
verykiasu2010:
more correct to say it is a policy fine tuning to suit the ever changing demands of the market place[/quote]Ultimately, this fine tuning benefits most of the kids.
I hope it is not truedunnoleh:
[quote=\"ksi\"]...I have not caught up with all the detail discussion here yet but based on the above posting, I agree the these IP schools are born to ease the MT reduction issue. This will make less people feel that they are penalized from having a university education just because of MT alone. I think it is prettclause and prudent of the gahmen to try to address this issue in an alternative way instead of leaving it as pent-up frustrations and forcing the richer folks to seek elsewhere for their tertiary education or in the extreme cases, migrate due to education.
--- that too many rich kids have problems with MT(even with expensive home tuition?)
--- that this problem is big enough to justify a major policy shift.
We should be glad that such changes allow more kids to move a step ahead!
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WeiHan:
i think you had yet viewed carefully what myself and those others with alternate view point had written. IT all depends on the students/parents on the cultural/school spirit continuation issue... and the brand name continuation ....relax lah everybody...there is no such thing as \"similar culture continuation\" etc......so I don't see any problem with the scgs/chs/sng sec5-6 merger.
Didn't JCs like Hwa Chong, VJC etc already taking students from various top secondary schools in the past? What problem with the culture was there?
like what you mentioned, previous top secondary school students went HC or VJC... so you probably assumed \"no issue\"
but isnt that why Dunman high , SJI and RVHS wished to start their own IP with pre-U extensions? so that their students can have continuous or similar cultural /school spirit experience across 6 years.... and graduate at the end with DUNMAN/SJI brand... not let the prestige of producing good students end up in the hands of Raffles,Victoria or Hwa Chong at A LEVEL
unlike other schools like SNGS who had to somehow join other branded JC under separate brand NAME and join in other top brand JC and under different cultural environment due to NO CHOICE ... hence i am also saying: SNGS/CHS and SCGS dont really benefit as much through this feed into new JC plan.... because their students are already doing the SAME THING NOW/PREVIOUSLY (as you rightly pointed out) ! so i felt it is unjust to these schools and they should have tried other better ways of preserving the school culture and brand of these schools..... do read my earlier posts
also it probably is it \"no issue\" probably because they (students) are joining established JC....SO IT DOESN'T MATTER to the students and their parents...
hence i brought up the issue of the 3 schools feed into 1 new JC is : no track record, no established reputation (despite being fed by 3 new IP school), school culture is mixed of CL-catholic school with English Paranakan school.... which others also replied and countered with their different opinions why the new JC could succeed... please read what we already wrote earlier on different views
it can be totally irrelevant to some people, especially if their current school spirit is not really strong or not so emphasized and especially so if JC they entered is already a \"BETTER brand\" OR ESTABLISHED JC .... but i believe it is relevant for many parents or students.... -
Daddy
Yah, my dh who is not a Cantonese pronounced it as \" I P man\". I was :? and told him it should be pronounced as Cantonese \"Yip Mun\" since it is a HK movie.
:celebrate: :celebrate:
Now I remember why I used to get confused on how to pronounce the \"IP MAN\" movie...
:lol: :lol: :lol:
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CJS:
i always thought it is I.P. Man
Yah, my dh who is not a Cantonese pronounced it as \" I P man\". I was :? and told him it should be pronounced as Cantonese \"Yip Mun\" since it is a HK movie.Daddy
:celebrate: :celebrate:
Now I remember why I used to get confused on how to pronounce the \"IP MAN\" movie...
:lol: :lol: :lol:
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tanbh:
Your reasoning is too long winded. By your reasoning, then no new JCs will be established and there will be no possible new good JCs other than the present few. The world will never change.
i think you had yet viewed carefully what myself and those others with alternate view point had written. IT all depends on the students/parents on the cultural/school spirit continuation issue... and the brand name continuation ....WeiHan:
relax lah everybody...there is no such thing as \"similar culture continuation\" etc......so I don't see any problem with the scgs/chs/sng sec5-6 merger.
Didn't JCs like Hwa Chong, VJC etc already taking students from various top secondary schools in the past? What problem with the culture was there?
like what you mentioned, previous top secondary school students went HC or VJC... so you probably assumed \"no issue\"
but isnt that why Dunman high , SJI and RVHS wished to start their own IP with pre-U extensions? so that their students can have continuous or similar cultural /school spirit experience across 6 years.... and graduate at the end with DUNMAN/SJI brand... not let the prestige of producing good students end up in the hands of Raffles,Victoria or Hwa Chong at A LEVEL
unlike other schools like SNGS who had to somehow join other branded JC under separate brand NAME and join in other top brand JC and under different cultural environment due to NO CHOICE ... hence i am also saying: SNGS/CHS and SCGS dont really benefit as much through this feed into new JC plan.... because their students are already doing the SAME THING NOW/PREVIOUSLY (as you rightly pointed out) ! so i felt it is unjust to these schools and they should have tried other better ways of preserving the school culture and brand of these schools..... do read my earlier posts
also it probably is it \"no issue\" probably because they (students) are joining established JC....SO IT DOESN'T MATTER to the students and their parents...
hence i brought up the issue of the 3 schools feed into 1 new JC is : no track record, no established reputation (despite being fed by 3 new IP school), school culture is mixed of CL-catholic school with English Paranakan school.... which others also replied and countered with their different opinions why the new JC could succeed... please read what we already wrote earlier on different views
it can be totally irrelevant to some people, especially if their current school spirit is not really strong or not so emphasized and especially so if JC they entered is already a \"BETTER brand\" OR ESTABLISHED JC .... but i believe it is relevant for many parents or students....
DHS and RV's pre-U section is also new. Everything has to start new before they build brand name and establish reputation. DHS lost many of their first batch of graduates to VJC, RJC etc....because it isn't as established but slowly the problem subside as they prove themselves. RJC and Hwa Chong JC didn't shot to greatness overnight too.
Nanyang Girls High isn't from the Hwa Chong family too. They have totally differing independent board. By your reasoning, Nanyang lose much in preserving their own culture too by joining HCI IP. Same goes to RGS?
Lastly, you keep saying many students and parents are concerned about the culture mix but this is only an assertion not yet proven. -
tanbh:
Okay maybe it is the use of the passive voice in the media that makes it appear like these kids are being thrown into a totally nameless and brandless abyss of a JC.
unlike other schools like SNGS who had to somehow join other branded JC under separate brand NAME and join in other top brand JC and under different cultural environment due to NO CHOICE ... hence i am also saying: SNGS/CHS and SCGS dont really benefit as much through this feed into new JC plan.... because their students are already doing the SAME THING NOW/PREVIOUSLY (as you rightly pointed out) ! so i felt it is unjust to these schools and they should have tried other better ways of preserving the school culture and brand of these schools..... do read my earlier posts
But that is not the case! Whatever unique brand of education these 3 institutions have is being transferred to this new school, simply because of the fact that the leadership of these 3 schools will be playing a part in the leadership of this new school!
And this new arrangement is not the same as the status quo. (Kids joining a top brand JC) They DON'T HAVE A CHOICE in the curriculum or programmes of XX TOP BRAND JC because of the fact that they aren't affiliated. But now, these schools HAVE A CHOICE in what programmes the new school will have, because of the fact that THEY DESIGNED IT. For instance, if one of the schools places particular emphasis on community service, it will be transferred to the new school. Now do you not agree this will benefit the students of these 3 schools?
I see you have really strong concerns about the viability of this merger. Perhaps you should consider writing a letter to ST Forum/principals of these 3 schools, then you can receive the official reply on the rationale behind such a decision. (Do publish the official reply here if you do send a letter, thanks) -
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There isn’t any point to continue debating about how the CHS/SNGS/SCGS pre-U merging is a win or a lose if we haven’t define what will be consider a success and what is not.
1. If the cutoff point for the three schools start to rise albeit very slightly, do we consider the arrangement a success and have benefitted the three schools?
2. If the cutoff points have risen but many students chose to join other JCs after year 4. Is it still a success?
3. What kind of A level results from the new JC should we consider a success?
4. Culture continuation? In the first place, the three schools do not have a preU section to start off with. They don’t consider their own preu section like SJI too. Culture is too abstract. What if students benefitted from this mix and the new JC became one of top 5 popular JC?
5. ?
In short, we have to define what is consider success and what is failure before we can even talk about its merit.
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