Discussion on Dr Ong Teck Chin

[Jennifer]

WeiHan:

What is your speculation?

:?

Muffins is just a kid. Dun lead him to do unnecessary speculation.

[Pen88n]

Jennifer:

WeiHan:

What is your speculation?

:?

Muffins is just a kid. Dun lead him to do unnecessary speculation.

There is really no need for speculation. The investigation will be revealed one day, and hopefully, it will help to provide the long-awaited \"truth\".

Meantime, just a note of caution to the kids in this forum: take note that this is a public forum and you will be held responsible for what you say or post here. Do not post any inappropriate remarks (speculation or otherwise) online or you may land yourself in trouble some days. Parents should also alert kids of this, as they are sometimes young and naive, and one incident might even cause them more \"harm\" than expected.

[WeiHan]

Jennifer:

WeiHan:

What is your speculation?

:?

Muffins is just a kid. Dun lead him to do unnecessary speculation.

I didn't know he is a kid. I thought he has graduated and is an alumni.

[jencrs]

I have nothing against you, 2ppaamm, but I feel I need to comment on your post and to share my views. I assure you, there's nothing personal.


Anyway, I have nothing much to comment on the ongoing case. For now, I'll just comment on what I do know, and not on speculations.

But before we get there, i'm going to make some assumptions based on what I've read, and since they're assumptions, please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

You're ex-raffles and probably not too far from Ong's age, maybe 10 years difference, give or take. So I'd assume you've never been a student in ACS while Ong was there as vice/principal. I don't think you'll disagree that knowing Ong as an aquaintance or friend, can be very different from knowing Ong as the vice/principal.

Also, I'm assuming you've never been a teacher at ACS while Ong was vice/principal. So you'd have no idea what it's like working under him.

Feel free to correct me. In the meantime, we'll continue to your post.

2ppaamm:

Even so, I cannot say that I know his character enough to vouch that he is not capable of any wrong doing........... No matter what the evidences are, I'll believe in what he says, because I know he is not capable of lying.

I'm afraid you contradict yourself. If you don't know him well enough to vouch for him, you can't possibly say you KNOW he's incapable of lying. And btw, everyone's capable of lying. Let's not put Ong on a pedestal and stick a halo over his head.

2ppaamm:

OTC tried to persuade me to put DS1 into ACS(I) at that time, since my son did top the HAST and was a medalist and State representative in his sport.

Hmmmm. I was a student at ACS while Ong was VP. While he was there, i've heard him encourage those who did well to go Raffles. And he did this openly, raising the ire of not only young students but loyal teachers as well. Essentially, as VP, he's saying that this school is not good enough for you, you should leave and go somewhere better. That is in the very least misguided and in poor taste. Instead, any self-respecting VP should encourage good students to remain, and to help bring the school to further heights with his fellow schoolmates. We've got teachers as capable and dedicated as any you can find in s'pore.

You don't believe me? Speak to any student or teacher during the time Ong was VP, and you'd find many who have witnessed the same thing. You want a name? PM me and I'll give you the name of a high profile person and a leader of his industry who has organised at least 1 petition to oust Ong out. He will attest to what i've written.

Of course, this is my personal experience, it doesn't mean that what you've said isn't true.

2ppaamm:

Nevertheless, I choose RI over ACS(I) for these reasons:
2. I am a loyal ex-Rafflesian.

So you agree at least at a personal level that school loyalty is of significance. See above.

2ppaamm:

Granted, he had a good staff, but remember, he chose his team well, and he provided the leadership. Listen to his staff and students about how he would go an extra mile to ensure they did well.

So you managed to speak to his staff at ACS(I)? Which employee would speak badly of his present employer with no fear of consequences to a stranger, or parent of a student, or a personal friend of said employer? Especially one who has a reputation of favourtism (according to newspaper reports) and has the power to hire and fire?

Did you also speak to some of the ex-teachers? You can find some of them at ACS barker rd because they're loyal enough to remain in the ACS family.

2ppaamm:

OTC was a great leader with a trustworthy character.

Again, if you're certain he's trustworthy, why can't you vouch for him?

Certainly, with Ong at the helm, ACS(I) has advanced and won numerous awards. But a good school is more than just awards.

And let's be honest, Ong has just as much to gain in his portfolio if ACS(I) does well.

[LOLMum]

verykiasu2010:

Muffins:

What about this:


Dr. Ong is innocent, and this teacher was his assistant.

Because he was angry that OTC had fired him, he had turned a little :siao: When OTC had stepped out, who says he couldn't have left his phone there to charge, or that he left his email on, to save time from logging in. This assistant, could have himself sent messages and emails. And who would keep thosse messages? If I were him, getting those types of messages from someone, I wouldn't keep them, I would delete them, unless I knew that he was going to be interrogated by the police about it.

What do you guys think?

Then all the more OTC must not resign hastily. Be should lodge a police report on criminal trespass and misuse of computer, and throw that accuser to Changi Hilton. He should be more clever than a non-contest and quit hastily to say want to go overseas to accumulate experience with a heart problem and suspected heart attack

i agree with verykiasu2010.

i am surprised that for someone who has obviously worked hard to make a good name for himself to go hardly without a fight to clear his name.

i came across this \"ban li bu ban qin\" many times on the various threads on this forum.

so, spare a thought and prayer for the teacher and his family too. they are hurting just as much as otc and his family.

[csc]

jencrs:

I have nothing against you, 2ppaamm, but I feel I need to comment on your post and to share my views. I assure you, there's nothing personal.


Anyway, I have nothing much to comment on the ongoing case. For now, I'll just comment on what I do know, and not on speculations.

But before we get there, i'm going to make some assumptions based on what I've read, and since they're assumptions, please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

You're ex-raffles and probably not too far from Ong's age, maybe 10 years difference, give or take. So I'd assume you've never been a student in ACS while Ong was there as vice/principal. I don't think you'll disagree that knowing Ong as an aquaintance or friend, can be very different from knowing Ong as the vice/principal.

Also, I'm assuming you've never been a teacher at ACS while Ong was vice/principal. So you'd have no idea what it's like working under him.

Feel free to correct me. In the meantime, we'll continue to your post.

2ppaamm:

Even so, I cannot say that I know his character enough to vouch that he is not capable of any wrong doing........... No matter what the evidences are, I'll believe in what he says, because I know he is not capable of lying.

I'm afraid you contradict yourself. If you don't know him well enough to vouch for him, you can't possibly say you KNOW he's incapable of lying. And btw, everyone's capable of lying. Let's not put Ong on a pedestal and stick a halo over his head.

2ppaamm:

OTC tried to persuade me to put DS1 into ACS(I) at that time, since my son did top the HAST and was a medalist and State representative in his sport.

Hmmmm. I was a student at ACS while Ong was VP. While he was there, i've heard him encourage those who did well to go Raffles. And he did this openly, raising the ire of not only young students but loyal teachers as well. Essentially, as VP, he's saying that this school is not good enough for you, you should leave and go somewhere better. That is in the very least misguided and in poor taste. Instead, any self-respecting VP should encourage good students to remain, and to help bring the school to further heights with his fellow schoolmates. We've got teachers as capable and dedicated as any you can find in s'pore.

You don't believe me? Speak to any student or teacher during the time Ong was VP, and you'd find many who have witnessed the same thing. You want a name? PM me and I'll give you the name of a high profile person and a leader of his industry who has organised at least 1 petition to oust Ong out. He will attest to what i've written.

Of course, this is my personal experience, it doesn't mean that what you've said isn't true.

2ppaamm:

Nevertheless, I choose RI over ACS(I) for these reasons:
2. I am a loyal ex-Rafflesian.

So you agree at least at a personal level that school loyalty is of significance. See above.

2ppaamm:

Granted, he had a good staff, but remember, he chose his team well, and he provided the leadership. Listen to his staff and students about how he would go an extra mile to ensure they did well.

So you managed to speak to his staff at ACS(I)? Which employee would speak badly of his present employer with no fear of consequences to a stranger, or parent of a student, or a personal friend of said employer? Especially one who has a reputation of favourtism (according to newspaper reports) and has the power to hire and fire?

Did you also speak to some of the ex-teachers? You can find some of them at ACS barker rd because they're loyal enough to remain in the ACS family.

2ppaamm:

OTC was a great leader with a trustworthy character.

Again, if you're certain he's trustworthy, why can't you vouch for him?

Certainly, with Ong at the helm, ACS(I) has advanced and won numerous awards. But a good school is more than just awards.

And let's be honest, Ong has just as much to gain in his portfolio if ACS(I) does well.

Thanks for your honest and objective sharing from your personal experience and perspective...and without malice :lol:

Appreciate that.

[Fuzz]

I have a few close friends who were former ACS students and knew OTC since he was VP. I also know him and his wife through some of their relatives, but I don’t know him well.


My friends who know him better said that he had his favourites, even among students. He can also be quite no-nonsense and serious, and he’s not exactly warm and super-friendly, so some people may not like him much. I personally never felt v comfortable with him. Obviously over the years, he would have made some enemies.

But despite all this, I find it quite hard to believe the implied allegations. My friends also feel the same way. One friend, who has known OTC since he was his VP, said that OTC may give off a slightly gay vibe but it’s because he’s quite soft in his mannerisms. He never felt that OTC acted in an improper way.

Anyway I hope that the truth will come to light soon. If OTC has been wrongly accused, I hope the matter will be cleared up as I can only imagine how painful this must be for him and his family.

But if he has done wrong, then he will have to pay the price. No one should think they can get away with wrongdoings. And it’s quite scary how people, especially those in powerful positions, can let their egos, greed and lust for money/power/etc get the better of them.

[atutor2001]

jencrs:

.... I was a student at ACS while Ong was VP. While he was there, i've heard him encourage those who did well to go Raffles. And he did this openly, raising the ire of not only young students but loyal teachers as well. Essentially, as VP, he's saying that this school is not good enough for you, you should leave and go somewhere better. That is in the very least misguided and in poor taste. Instead, any self-respecting VP should encourage good students to remain, and to help bring the school to further heights with his fellow schoolmates. We've got teachers as capable and dedicated as any you can find in s'pore.....

I find the act of openly encouraging good students to go elsewhere very interesting. The fact that it is done openly is noble because he is prepared to face the consequences. It is an indirect announcement to the principal and the Board that the school was not doing well then and something must be done. That would be the positive interpretation. Those against him will question the motive behind or was it done with support from higher authority.... Whatever it is, I would agree that the approach \" is in the very least misguided and in poor taste.\"

[wonderm]

atutor2001:

jencrs:

.... I was a student at ACS while Ong was VP. While he was there, i've heard him encourage those who did well to go Raffles. And he did this openly, raising the ire of not only young students but loyal teachers as well. Essentially, as VP, he's saying that this school is not good enough for you, you should leave and go somewhere better. That is in the very least misguided and in poor taste. Instead, any self-respecting VP should encourage good students to remain, and to help bring the school to further heights with his fellow schoolmates. We've got teachers as capable and dedicated as any you can find in s'pore.....

I find the act of openly encouraging good students to go elsewhere very interesting. The fact that it is done openly is noble because he is prepared to face the consequences. It is an indirect announcement to the principal and the Board that the school was not doing well then and something must be done. That would be the positive interpretation. Those against him will question the motive behind or was it done with support from higher authority.... Whatever it is, I would agree that the approach \" is in the very least misguided and in poor taste.\"

This is indeed very interesting. Just for discussion sake, if a VP genuinely thinks another school environment will better develop the potential of a particular student, then when consulted, should he/she advise the student based on what he/she really thinks, as if he/she is advising his/her own child, or should he/she just do the politically the right thing? In theory, the VP can try to help to develop the student's potential in his/her own school, but in practice, how realistic is it? especially if the current school standard is quite far off from another \"better\" school?

I actually don't know which way is a more \"noble\" way to handle such situation. Any views from others?

[php]

jencrs:

I have nothing against you, 2ppaamm, but I feel I need to comment on your post and to share my views. I assure you, there's nothing personal.


Anyway, I have nothing much to comment on the ongoing case. For now, I'll just comment on what I do know, and not on speculations.

But before we get there, i'm going to make some assumptions based on what I've read, and since they're assumptions, please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

You're ex-raffles and probably not too far from Ong's age, maybe 10 years difference, give or take. So I'd assume you've never been a student in ACS while Ong was there as vice/principal. I don't think you'll disagree that knowing Ong as an aquaintance or friend, can be very different from knowing Ong as the vice/principal.

Also, I'm assuming you've never been a teacher at ACS while Ong was vice/principal. So you'd have no idea what it's like working under him.

Feel free to correct me. In the meantime, we'll continue to your post.

2ppaamm:

Even so, I cannot say that I know his character enough to vouch that he is not capable of any wrong doing........... No matter what the evidences are, I'll believe in what he says, because I know he is not capable of lying.

I'm afraid you contradict yourself. If you don't know him well enough to vouch for him, you can't possibly say you KNOW he's incapable of lying. And btw, everyone's capable of lying. Let's not put Ong on a pedestal and stick a halo over his head.

2ppaamm:

OTC tried to persuade me to put DS1 into ACS(I) at that time, since my son did top the HAST and was a medalist and State representative in his sport.

Hmmmm. I was a student at ACS while Ong was VP. While he was there, i've heard him encourage those who did well to go Raffles. And he did this openly, raising the ire of not only young students but loyal teachers as well. Essentially, as VP, he's saying that this school is not good enough for you, you should leave and go somewhere better. That is in the very least misguided and in poor taste. Instead, any self-respecting VP should encourage good students to remain, and to help bring the school to further heights with his fellow schoolmates. We've got teachers as capable and dedicated as any you can find in s'pore.

You don't believe me? Speak to any student or teacher during the time Ong was VP, and you'd find many who have witnessed the same thing. You want a name? PM me and I'll give you the name of a high profile person and a leader of his industry who has organised at least 1 petition to oust Ong out. He will attest to what i've written.

Of course, this is my personal experience, it doesn't mean that what you've said isn't true.

2ppaamm:

Nevertheless, I choose RI over ACS(I) for these reasons:
2. I am a loyal ex-Rafflesian.

So you agree at least at a personal level that school loyalty is of significance. See above.

2ppaamm:

Granted, he had a good staff, but remember, he chose his team well, and he provided the leadership. Listen to his staff and students about how he would go an extra mile to ensure they did well.

So you managed to speak to his staff at ACS(I)? Which employee would speak badly of his present employer with no fear of consequences to a stranger, or parent of a student, or a personal friend of said employer? Especially one who has a reputation of favourtism (according to newspaper reports) and has the power to hire and fire?

Did you also speak to some of the ex-teachers? You can find some of them at ACS barker rd because they're loyal enough to remain in the ACS family.

2ppaamm:

OTC was a great leader with a trustworthy character.

Again, if you're certain he's trustworthy, why can't you vouch for him?

Certainly, with Ong at the helm, ACS(I) has advanced and won numerous awards. But a good school is more than just awards.

And let's be honest, Ong has just as much to gain in his portfolio if ACS(I) does well.

I am neither ex-Rafflesian nor ex-ACS. Look like there is a battle going on between the 2 elites...There is no need to speculate, there is no need to support one or another.... The truth will be out...NKF saga was a good lesson and you know what i meant....