All About GEP
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As children who are really gifted is definately much less than 500 for each cohort, so there is no need for the gifted programme to continue now that the IP is much in place. MOE could have use its resources to for other areas.
As for the validity of arguments by some in support of this programme, higher order thinking skills, maths and science olympias, A* attachment, languistic and humanities scholastic programme are all provided in high schools to cater to gifted kids.
Just take a look at President and SAF Overseas Merit Scolarships winners over the recent years and one will observe that kids from the gifted programme are not as dorminant as it used to be in the past. Surely these winners are the mose all rounded students that have emerged from pur education system rather than the GEP. -
lwm99:
I think Trapwithin is right. The numbers are from MOE. Verykiasu, where do you get your info from when you posted?[/quote]my mistake
may be you are right, 10% of round 1 ... but there is something about the the 5%verykiasu2010:
[quote=\"Trapwithin\"]
I thought they take in 4000 kids for Round 1 and about 500 for round 2.
Considering a cohort of 40,000 kids each year .. Round 1 is 10% and Round 2 is 1%
first round getting into second round : approx 10% of the cohort
out of which 10% of the 10% of 1st round, viz 1% of the cohort, will end up selected into the GEP
the 4% outside the top 1% made it into the High Ability Class in some GEP schools, also used for intermingle or twining
of course the % is a rounded up % number -
jtoh:
Those who just missed getting into the 2nd round will be highlighted to the schools. Obviously attention and opportunities will be given to those who are 600th on the list rather than 4000th.[/quote]anecdotal incidents suggest so
Do not know how true.Trapwithin:
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Just wondering why the numbers are increasing? Afterall only around 500 students will eventually make it for the GEP program right?
Am also wondering why the need for the screening test in the first place? Why not make the students take the 2nd test directly and eliminate the hassle of the screening test? Just my own thoughts coz it seems that every P3 kid I know seems to be qualified for the 2nd round :?
Apparently, MOE keep tab on those that qualified for 2nd round.
In GEP School, these group will be use to do \"twinning\" program with the GEP students. -
INNOVATE:
How do we identify if the scholars were from GEP or not?As children who are really gifted is definately much less than 500 for each cohort, so there is no need for the gifted programme to continue now that the IP is much in place. MOE could have use its resources to for other areas.
As for the validity of arguments by some in support of this programme, higher order thinking skills, maths and science olympias, A* attachment, languistic and humanities scholastic programme are all provided in high schools to cater to gifted kids.
Just take a look at President and SAF Overseas Merit Scolarships winners over the recent years and one will observe that kids from the gifted programme are not as dorminant as it used to be in the past. Surely these winners are the mose all rounded students that have emerged from pur education system rather than the GEP. -
jtoh
Just look at the secondary schools they had attended. As for the IP students, it may be difficult unless one is from the same jc.
I notice that it is the parents who are rather obessed with GEP for various reasons. So much resources are used for a small minority of pupils whose eventual performance or contributions are not easily measureable.
With even non IP schools students winning the most coveted scholarships, I am totally not convince of the merits ot GEP. Moreover, the tests in itself is depend on the actual performance of kids on those days. Whereas to win the most coveted scholarships, a student has to prove far way beyond academics, ccas chacracter, and intelligence over a prolonged. period. -
INNOVATE:
Just wondering whether you have mixed up the GEP discussed here and the IP programme. Most of the discussion here are for GEP for P4 to P6, so we are talking about the programme MOE has in place to identify gifted children from young. In this thread, we have discuss at length whether the screen method may or may not be the right. IP is for the secondary education to pre-u. So what is the link between this distinctly different programme? Within the IP programme in secondary school, there is still remainly a programme specifically cater for the gifted in 7 schools, which offer School-Based Gifted Education (SBGE) to cater to the intellectually gifted. How were you able to distinct those kids from the gifted and non-gifted programme in the IP?As children who are really gifted is definately much less than 500 for each cohort, so there is no need for the gifted programme to continue now that the IP is much in place. MOE could have use its resources to for other areas.
As for the validity of arguments by some in support of this programme, higher order thinking skills, maths and science olympias, A* attachment, languistic and humanities scholastic programme are all provided in high schools to cater to gifted kids.
Just take a look at President and SAF Overseas Merit Scolarships winners over the recent years and one will observe that kids from the gifted programme are not as dorminant as it used to be in the past. Surely these winners are the mose all rounded students that have emerged from pur education system rather than the GEP. -
Twa Tau
I wrote in on concern that parents send their kids for training with the objective of gaining admission to GEP. That’s totally undesirable as gifted is innate and cannot be trained.
The other area is that many supporters of GEP thought that the programme provides rare opportunities to their kids otherwise not available to mainstreamers. That’s correct but I feel that it is irrevelant in today’s context given our IP which is well placed to cater to gifted and high ability students. My concern is why spend so much resources on this programme for only 3 yrs, the inordinate amount of which can be utilised on other areas. Mover, the no of top scholarship holders in recent years from the GEP was not overwhelming.
The point in this debate is the GEP which was beneficial in the past to provide special educational needs is no longer that valid given my reasons outlined above. On this occassion, there is therefore no need to specially segregate gifted from the very high ability pupils. My reply to your question is self-explanatory.
In conclusion, parents do not need to fret over the selection tests. Just leave it naturally to the kids to figure out whether they are really gifted. -
INNOVATE:
In conclusion, parents do not need to fret over the selection tests. Just leave it naturally to the kids to figure out whether they are really gifted.
unfortunately, it gives the parents the bragging rights if their kids are selected for the programme. on top of that, they also gets the chance to transfer to a 'brandier' school, which will in turn opens the doors for the younger siblings.
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Nebbermind:
I'm wondering how many parents are busy enquiring at those so-called GEP training centres now. :lol: :lol: :lol: Easy money.INNOVATE:
In conclusion, parents do not need to fret over the selection tests. Just leave it naturally to the kids to figure out whether they are really gifted.
unfortunately, it gives the parents the bragging rights if their kids are selected for the programme. on top of that, they also gets the chance to transfer to a 'brandier' school, which will in turn opens the doors for the younger siblings. -
Nebbermind:
If we train them so hard and they get in and then later they can't cope because in the first place they are not smart enough, it will also 'kill' them. Better to let get in without training. I heard of some parents who even buy 'past year' papers for GEP to prepare their kids.INNOVATE:
In conclusion, parents do not need to fret over the selection tests. Just leave it naturally to the kids to figure out whether they are really gifted.
unfortunately, it gives the parents the bragging rights if their kids are selected for the programme. on top of that, they also gets the chance to transfer to a 'brandier' school, which will in turn opens the doors for the younger siblings.
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