Anglo-Chinese School (Independent)
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Kiasu Friend:
I don't think that the rigour was diluted to help late entrants. I suspect it was diluted because it was too difficult to cope with rapid expansion (hence the staff talent density would have fallen) plus curriculum changes at the same time. It's always difficult to enact major changes all round in a very short time.If it is true that ACS(I) has diluted the rigour of the curriculum in Year-1 and Year-2 to help late entrants, then I would consider it most unfortunate. Because, making it easy enough to enter in Year-3 and Year-5 in fact reduces the stature of the IB program itself. It adds credence to the prevailing view (incorrect view, I would say) that IB is not as rigourous as A-level.
I wish that ACS(I) restores the rigour to the original specifications and thus establish IB as a course no less in rigour to A-level. If it means raising the barriers to late-entrants, by all means let them do it. Because, among the late-entrants, those who are really motivated and capable will get over the entry-barrier anyway. But by restoring the rigour, the stature of IB will be protected. This is my personal view.
The success of the school can be put down in large measure to the high quality of the intake, actually. The in-house curriculum helps somewhat, but not as much as it should. It would be odd, though, if a pre-selected Singaporean top 10% intake didn't outperform the average IB school worldwide...
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autolycus:
It would be odd, though, if a pre-selected Singaporean top 10% intake didn't outperform the average IB school worldwide...
Thanks for additional info. I get a better idea about why the dilution took place. Since you have mentioned about 'pre-selected Singaporean top 10% intake\", I have one question:
What is the CoP for IB intake for year-1 in ACS(I) last year through PSLE Centralised posting (i.e., from non-affiliated schools)?
Some say it was 253, some others say 257. I remember one forum member had mentioned 251. If an accurate figure is not possible, can you please indicate what is the nearest guess?
Anyone who knows more on this, please help.
Thank you for your time and consideration. -
Kiasu Friend:
The best way to find out is to call ACSI general office. They will tell you the exact figure.autolycus:
It would be odd, though, if a pre-selected Singaporean top 10% intake didn't outperform the average IB school worldwide...
Thanks for additional info. I get a better idea about why the dilution took place. Since you have mentioned about 'pre-selected Singaporean top 10% intake\", I have one question:
What is the CoP for IB intake for year-1 in ACS(I) last year through PSLE Centralised posting (i.e., from non-affiliated schools)?
Some say it was 253, some others say 257. I remember one forum member had mentioned 251. If an accurate figure is not possible, can you please indicate what is the nearest guess?
Anyone who knows more on this, please help.
Thank you for your time and consideration. -
Kiasu Friend:
The idea of calling up the school office is a bad one. They have unofficial statistics and official ones. They also have DSA students with PSLE scores. And they do not need to tell you.
What is the CoP for IB intake for year-1 in ACS(I) last year through PSLE Centralised posting (i.e., from non-affiliated schools)?
Some say it was 253, some others say 257. I remember one forum member had mentioned 251. If an accurate figure is not possible, can you please indicate what is the nearest guess?
However, you can go to the MOE database http://app.sis.moe.gov.sg/schinfo/SIS_index.asp. Choose 'Mixed Level Schools (Offering Sec1 to JC2)' and select ACS(I) from the drop-down menu.
I can do it for you. So here is the official MOE distribution, for ACS(I) 2009 PSLE to 2010 Year 1, copied from the resulting page:
Non-Affiliated: 250-264, mean=254, median=254
Affiliated (for comparison): 235-280, mean=246, median=244
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For 2008 PSLE to 2009 Year 1 it was:
Non-Affiliated: 253-269, mean=256, median=256
Affiliated: 235-270, mean=246, median=246
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For 2007 PSLE to 2008 Year 1 it was:
Non-Affiliated: 252-267, mean=257, median=256
Affiliated: 235-270, mean=248, median=248
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For 2006 PSLE to 2007 Year 1 it was:
Non-Affiliated: 254-271, mean=257, median=256
Affiliated: 235-266, mean=246, median=244
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In a nutshell, there is no significant change in intake across the school. Remember, the process is driven somewhat by market forces, even though there is a large degree of 'market failure' because of DSA and other things.
Hope this helps!
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Hi Autolycus
Thanks for the info with regards to ACSI COP.
Will let to know what is the COP for IB intake for yr 1 into ACSI for affiliated sch?
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autolycus:
The information obtained from MOE website is for the COP of ACSI. As we know ACSI has both O Level and IB streams. The question was \"what is the COP for IB stream\". I called ACSI office 2 years ago, the staff was able to give me a clear specific figure for the IB COP for that year. It was of course the \"official\" figure. I believe it does not include the DSA students. Even when we get the COP information from MOE website, it would be the official figure, too. I don't think there is a good way to get \"unofficial\" information.
The idea of calling up the school office is a bad one. They have unofficial statistics and official ones. They also have DSA students with PSLE scores. And they do not need to tell you.Kiasu Friend:
What is the CoP for IB intake for year-1 in ACS(I) last year through PSLE Centralised posting (i.e., from non-affiliated schools)?
Some say it was 253, some others say 257. I remember one forum member had mentioned 251. If an accurate figure is not possible, can you please indicate what is the nearest guess?
However, you can go to the MOE database http://app.sis.moe.gov.sg/schinfo/SIS_index.asp. Choose 'Mixed Level Schools (Offering Sec1 to JC2)' and select ACS(I) from the drop-down menu.
I can do it for you. So here is the official MOE distribution, for ACS(I) 2009 PSLE to 2010 Year 1, copied from the resulting page:
Non-Affiliated: 250-264, mean=254, median=254
Affiliated (for comparison): 235-280, mean=246, median=244
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For 2008 PSLE to 2009 Year 1 it was:
Non-Affiliated: 253-269, mean=256, median=256
Affiliated: 235-270, mean=246, median=246
=====
For 2007 PSLE to 2008 Year 1 it was:
Non-Affiliated: 252-267, mean=257, median=256
Affiliated: 235-270, mean=248, median=248
=====
For 2006 PSLE to 2007 Year 1 it was:
Non-Affiliated: 254-271, mean=257, median=256
Affiliated: 235-266, mean=246, median=244
=====
In a nutshell, there is no significant change in intake across the school. Remember, the process is driven somewhat by market forces, even though there is a large degree of 'market failure' because of DSA and other things.
Hope this helps! -
I suspect that the entry to the IP at Year 1 does not have a rigid COP. That is because of the DSA students, as well as the very flexible criteria used. This has been my experience. However, you can count on it that the COP is set roughly at 250+. There are certain reasons for this which you can figure out...
In fact, for some reason, the typical entry score (since we can't say 'COP') for ACS(I) IP is very close to (or 'around') the mean for non-affiliated entry.
This is why you can use the public data as a proxy for data you cannot otherwise obtain. It's like trying to figure out the staff turnover rate at ACS(I). They won't tell you, but it's easy to find out.
PS: also note that entry to the IBDP (International Baccalaureate Diploma Programme) itself is only at Year 5. The IP (Integrated Programme) is the whole Year 1 to Year 6 thing, with three main entry points. -
I am happy that my question generated a lively discussion. I thank all for that. I did call the ACS(I) office but their replies were not much helpful. Either I did not put across my question properly or the office-person was not willing to disclose the exact info sought by me. I am not sure.
Hi autolycus,
I specifically thank you for the effort taken in providing detailed CoP data for 4-years. Truly you are a fountainhead of information on IB and ACS(I). I agree with your analysis and conclusions arrived at. Marvellous effort. I am most grateful to you. -
Hi Chief, is thera an award for most helpful KSParent helping other people? I think, for this thread, autolycus should get it
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Autolycus,
thank you for all the info... :thankyou:
I like the way you answer the questions
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