All About Market Rates of Private Tutors
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ksi:
I agree with KSI. It is all in the marking scheme and technique which can be figured out. If one takes the time to find out the root of the problem, solutions can be found. The problem is that everyone wants a shortcut now provided by Tuition Teachers but the danger is that the shortcuts actually cut out the essential life skills that the kids have to develop, thinking, analytical and problem solving skills etc
I have to differ with you here.verykiasu2010:
about tuition for kids with high marks / band 1
remember this conversation with a teacher before : the question is why not able to achieve a break through over and above the high marks of 80 - 90......so in came the tutors who focus not only on content but to seriously understand what the questions are asking for, having knowledge may not have answered to the point with the right technical answer....and this kind of coaching to have is worth paying....I guess that is why parents are willing to pay
sorry to say that because PSLE is a placement exam, we all want our kids to be placed ahead of others.....so, 80 - 90 is not good enough if the child has the capacity to go beyond that, say consistently above 95 will be good, nearly full marks will be good, be able to make only a few careless mistakes on the top schools' exam papers will be good...
in so doing, the child learns what is excellency over and above what is very good (I know some parents will disagree with this) - to be balanced with humility, quest for knowledge, put in best effort in every task, and the children can be challenged by the parents and teachers to go beyond what the child think originally impossible
Firstly, high ability kids are not in tuition but enrichment and they don't need multiple but just one good one to keep them stretched and stimulated.
Secondly, sorry to say this, but the words in bold is the perception some commercial teachers want to create. It is all about understanding the marking scheme only. I have managed to coach my kid to get full marks in those areas after I figure out the marking scheme. As for understanding what the question wants, if it is written in clear English and not ambiguous, nothing so difficult to understand. I really hate those low quality questions being posed and positioned as tricky questions for the children, undermining their intelligence. And if an exam question is not written to be understood easily, it is questionable what is the objective? They should be tested for deriving the answer and not having to spend alot of time interpreting the unclear question. We are talking about supposedly high ability kids here trying to move a good grade to a better one.
In search of excellence is beyond exam. In fact exam is the worst method to make one go in search of excellence. The kind of exams we have now actually cripple many things in the learning process but can score A*. You can read more from 2ppaamm's comments on what she finds in her uni students today in this thread: http://www.kiasuparents.com/kiasu/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2353&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=290
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Blobbi:
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Yup me too! The amount spent could maintain a family of 5!Quintessential Mum:
[quote=\"markfch\"]
:faint:
And the kid has the time and the willingness to sit through so many classes? Isn't there a law of diminishing marginal returns?[/quote]Well, it seems that my friend's kid is quite on the ball and arranges her own tuition schedule starting early in the morning to late at night. Personally i do not see the returns but they seem to be hooked on it! :lol: -
tutormum:
I beg to differ, I am a tutor myself and I vote NO.
I kept my son's lower block Science notes in the hope that my daughter will be able to use them.janet_lee88:
[quote=\"Brenda10\"]
Hi KSI
Still remember dd ever said want to keep those notes/materials in case in future she may give tution to P5 students.
ONLY tutors will vote YES to charging $100/hr. I have even rejected students who were doing well in school. If the child is constantly scoring band 1, why does he/she need tuition? Once, a parent told me that she wants her child to maintain her standards. IMHO, if a child can constantly score above 80, he/she is very independant to study on his/her own to maintain that standard. period. Why waste money on tutors? A tutor is there to guide and help a child to overcome his/her weakness, not a miracle worker. However, many parents think that if they engage a tutor, their child will do well and a super tutor will enable the child to excel. Parents have to wake up and realise that a tutor can only do so much. :P[/quote]Wow it is indeed refreshing to hear your opinions. Appreciate the honesty. i am sure that many tutors do not feel the same way. I agree if you are doing well, there is no need for additional tuition. 
Your students are lucky to have you.
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ksi:
Hi KSI - FYI, there are tutors even in Uni.WS1234567:
I'm a tutor myself. some kids of mine are already top 3 in good schools and they continue to engage me. Reason is simple, the kid needs to maintain the position. There's stiff competition out there. Ony by engaging a top tutor, the parents can ensure that the kid, who is already very bright, knows that he or she can get even better and needs to get better to maitain the good school position. A top tutor knows how to keep the kid constantly motivated too. I set very high standards so none of my kids can ever feel complacent. The fact is, they still have so much to learn. They do not know everything under the sun yet. Neither do us.
If a bright child needs to sustain top 3 positions by 1-1 tuition of $100/hr, then you better be ready to tutor them in uni and in their job in future. This is artificially sustaining the positions. But then again, I understand because everyone is doing it, the kiasu mentality will be worried not to do it, this is what tutors are counting on. Personally I would rather find out my child is truly bright or not by letting go of 1-1 tuition otherwise I cripple my child for life.
And I am right, the 3rd vote is a tutor.
Don't get me wrong, I am not against tuition or enrichment, only addressing the topic of $100/hr tuition. As for the workforce, it may happen in the future - you never know! :lol:
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I have a cousin who's tutoring secondary school kids for history.
Don't think there will be any 'tutors' in the working world...with people trying to outdo each other for promotion. Lots of bootlicking, office politics etc etc. Tuition should end at college, shouldn't it be ? :?: -
WS1234567:
Personally, I was also being tutored when i was younger. I was from the Chinese High track and field team and I neglected my studies when i was in sec 3. So did my cousin who was in RI. So we got his senior to have crash course for us. We're bright students ourselves but we still learnt a lot from his senior as he's a President scholar.ksi:
[quote=\"WS1234567\"]I'm a tutor myself. some kids of mine are already top 3 in good schools and they continue to engage me. Reason is simple, the kid needs to maintain the position. There's stiff competition out there. Ony by engaging a top tutor, the parents can ensure that the kid, who is already very bright, knows that he or she can get even better and needs to get better to maitain the good school position. A top tutor knows how to keep the kid constantly motivated too. I set very high standards so none of my kids can ever feel complacent. The fact is, they still have so much to learn. They do not know everything under the sun yet. Neither do us.
If a bright child needs to sustain top 3 positions by 1-1 tuition of $100/hr, then you better be ready to tutor them in uni and in their job in future. This is artificially sustaining the positions. But then again, I understand because everyone is doing it, the kiasu mentality will be worried not to do it, this is what tutors are counting on. Personally I would rather find out my child is truly bright or not by letting go of 1-1 tuition otherwise I cripple my child for life.
And I am right, the 3rd vote is a tutor.
Don't get me wrong, I am not against tuition or enrichment, only addressing the topic of $100/hr tuition.
My point is, some of us who r tutors have skills that u can never imagine. These top 3 students need me for the thinking skills i infuse in them that they won;t get from others. No one is born with such high level of thinking skills if they're not taught by someone else.
Perhaps some pple do not have a clue abt the skills i am talking about.
U need to engage a top tutor to experience it yourself.
I'm not handicapping my students. I'm empowering them in fact. But they need to be expose to the skills in the first place.[/quote]Agree Thinking skills are very important. But that begs the question if this super tutor has managed to teach/impart/expore these \"skills\" effectively over say 10 lessons, the students should be able to think for themselves and there will not be a need for the tutor anymore. If there is still a need to continue, has the tutor delivered? -
verykiasu2010:
I would rather say that ALL parent do not know the correct / right / adequate / proper exposure especially if it is their first kid in school.
most parents do not know the correct / right / adequate / proper exposure
During my time there is no forum to discuss. Internet accessibility was limited. We have to analyse and study with them. Now it is so much easier. So many forums to find out the short-cut way. Google and we can get all the information we need. However, I must conceit that Chinese is the hardest. We are equally blur but we learn with them. The process made us understand their suffering and become less demanding. There was NO Besta then, only a hard copy of dictionary, flipping like crazy yet still do not understand the meaning after finding the word because the \"phrase\" needed was not inside. What to do? Buy a thicker one with more coverage which means even harder to handle. Sigh! Those were the days. Never regretted though.
So it is the amount of sacrifice we are willing to make. If not, there is a ready excuse - \"I don't know how to teach my kid because the syllabus is so difficult.\" -
INNOVATE:
Kudos to you and your family!Totally not convince of the need for high ability pupils to engage super tutors 1-1. Here, we are taking about pupils able to score A* in PSLE.
The kind of learning skills imparted by super tutors 1-1 is not limited and can be acquired thru self discovery with the guidance of parents, top sch teachers, enrichment classes in top centres, mind champs, Adam Khoo learning, and several others centers. Above all these, always ask kids to pray for wisdom, speak out and confess it-this is the best method.
My son, an ordinary art student, never hve the prviledge of 1-1 tuition. Hesat for difficult challenging PSLE maths papers yr 2005. Many parents complained of two questions(section C) amounting to 10 marks were of high diificulty and not commonly thought in schs, tuition centres and assessment bks. He answered both questions correctly and still hve 30 mins for checking.
Obviously, my family has adopted the prayer method. Since then, for both my kids only believe the prayer is the best method. -
verykiasu2010:
ok, now i disagree with you on this last statement :evil:ksi:
[quote=\"verykiasu2010\"]ksi, have no disagreement with you on your points. i may have generalised my points and my engrish writing needs tuition
Nothing wrong with your Engrish...you are just being sold by what that teacher told you.
we have discussions with the school teachers (not tuition teacher) during the feedback / meet the parent sessions. we as parents were told which is the area of weakness in certain specific topics in each subject, why seemingly the effort by the kid did not get the requisite return in terms of marks.....and the analysis boils down to techniques. we are talking about breaking through from low 90s to high 90s, so it is about the last few marks - diminishing return as some would put it. but the challenge is not to lose any marks. so after the discussions with the school teachers, we told the tuition teacher or enrichment teacher to pay more attention in specific area - very targeted. breakthrough achieved.[/quote]I was wondering shouldn't the Tuition Teacher know their students weaknesses/problem areas in the first place.
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janet_lee88:
May be there will be if there is a demand. The kids who have been tutored since birth till uni - may feel lost without it when they start work. Also with tuition @ work, you may be able to get promoted faster etc. There may be an opportunity here!I have a cousin who's tutoring secondary school kids for history.
Don't think there will be any 'tutors' in the working world...with people trying to outdo each other for promotion. Lots of bootlicking, office politics etc etc. Tuition should end at college, shouldn't it be ? :?:
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