Compare RGS vs NYGH
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WeiHan:
It is true that RI merged with RJC to become RI, a few years after Chinese High merged with HCJC to become HCI. However, both started the 6-year IP programme the same year, and the first batch which completed 6 years took the 'A' levels in 2009. Evidence is http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/singaporelocalnews/view/1041742/1/.html.
I thought it was the Raffles that follows HCI: RI only merged with RJC recently. HCI, DHS and RV are the original integrated programme that can be truely called \"seamless 6 year programme\" (they stay in the same school for 6 years)autolycus:
HCI actually followed a similar route to Raffles, but ACS(I) had to create a pre-university structure from scratch, since their original pre-U classes had become ACJC in 1977. NYGHS only joined the HCI scheme somewhat later. NJC tried the JC-plus model that TJC and VJC also adopted, JC plus Sec3/4. They found it didn't work so well without Sec1/2 classes. -
mjl:
It is true that RI merged with RJC to become RI, a few years after Chinese High merged with HCJC to become HCI. However, both started the 6-year IP programme the same year, and the first batch which completed 6 years took the 'A' levels in 2009. Evidence is http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/singaporelocalnews/view/1041742/1/.html.[/quote]May I add that IP started in 2004 for the Raffles (RI and RGS) and Hwa Chong (TCHS and NYGH) families, NJC and ASCI.
I thought it was the Raffles that follows HCI: RI only merged with RJC recently. HCI, DHS and RV are the original integrated programme that can be truely called \"seamless 6 year programme\" (they stay in the same school for 6 years)WeiHan:
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HCI actually followed a similar route to Raffles, but ACS(I) had to create a pre-university structure from scratch, since their original pre-U classes had become ACJC in 1977. NYGHS only joined the HCI scheme somewhat later. NJC tried the JC-plus model that TJC and VJC also adopted, JC plus Sec3/4. They found it didn't work so well without Sec1/2 classes.
Technically, in 2004, the Sec 1s, 2s and 3s went onto the IP track; the Sec 4s was the last batch from these schools (except NJC) to take the O-levels.
There were 2 batches (2004 Sec 2s and 3s) of students who did not do the full 6 years of IP, only the Sec 1s of 2004 did. These students did their A-levels in 2009. -
INNOVATE:
Secondary schools are the formative years for a person's character. And it is this character building and the network of friends with similar character and behavioral patterns made during this period that are important factors determining an individual's later success in life.sinoboy
In the unis intake for top courses, RGS/RI hve significant presence in medicine and in particulary, law. NGHS/HCI presence are strongly represented in accountancy and public administration.
As for who is more successful in life, its very much depends on individuals not whether the ladies are from RGS,NGHS or any other well-known girls'schools.They are many successful women from different top girls' schools.
Let not your jugement be clouded by just your personal encounters.
Why do you think parents want to send their kids to RGS or NYGH? :lol:
Another thing ... how to pass a judgment on a person if there are no prior encounters or experiences with the person? :lol: -
INNOVATE:
Hi INNOVATE......
Strictly speaking, RGS/RI hve a very slight advantage academically due to its abiluty to attract more top pupils. However, this advantage is eroded as they progress to jc education. Take for example the 2009 A-Level exam, HCI had outperformed RI ........
I am confused. I have found this statistics provided by semaj in another thread :
No of students with 7 A's and above (meaning all distinctions)
2008 RJC 360 HCJC 174
2009 RJC 303 HCJC 216
RJ's performace has dropped in 2009, in comparison with its own performance in 2008 while HCI has shown improvement.
However, comparing 2009's results of RJ with HCI, RJ still has more straight A's (difference of 90+ pupils) Or is the above information inaccurate. -
WeiHan:
RI/RGS/RJC were part of the first batch of IP schools, along with HCI and ACS(I), and NJC.I thought it was the Raffles that follows HCI: RI only merged with RJC recently. HCI, DHS and RV are the original integrated programme that can be truely called \"seamless 6 year programme\" (they stay in the same school for 6 years)
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The main feature of IP as I understood is independent work on projects. As I have read in the newspaper, one of RV former principal said that even way back in the 70s, some students in RV have already, on their own initiative, did projects on chemistry and have asked her to grade them. What she is trying to convey is that IP isn't a totally new idea.
The main feature of IP is a 'through-train' programme in which students don't do O-levels. Hence they get six years of continuous education before their terminal pre-university qualification. The programmes are called 'integrated programmes' because they combine secondary education into a single curriculum, instead of two (in the past, S1-4/JC1-2 or middle school/high school). -
kiasuest2:
This is not entirely true. The http://www.moe.gov.sg/media/press/2002/pr31122002.htm were Sec 3 of 2004 for RI/RGS, TCHS (now part of HCI), ACS(I) and NJC.May I add that IP started in 2004 for the Raffles (RI and RGS) and Hwa Chong (TCHS and NYGH) families, NJC and ASCI.
Technically, in 2004, the Sec 1s, 2s and 3s went onto the IP track; the Sec 4s was the last batch from these schools (except NJC) to take the O-levels.
There were 2 batches (2004 Sec 2s and 3s) of students who did not do the full 6 years of IP, only the Sec 1s of 2004 did. These students did their A-levels in 2009.
NYGHS had a 'http://www.moe.gov.sg/media/press/2003/pr20031114.htm' with HCI and came on board in 2004 as well, without developing their own programme at first. Hence a number of NYGHS girls from that batch actually went to other IPs.
Only the http://www.moe.gov.sg/media/press/2004/pr20040924.htm started with IP and have just graduated as the first full-IP batch of 2010. ACS(I) was the only IP school to retain an O-level track.
TJC and VJC started Sec 3 IP in http://www.moe.gov.sg/media/press/2003/pr20031230.htm. -
mjl:
It is true that RI merged with RJC to become RI, a few years after Chinese High merged with HCJC to become HCI. However, both started the 6-year IP programme the same year, and the first batch which completed 6 years took the 'A' levels in 2009. Evidence is http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/singaporelocalnews/view/1041742/1/.html.
That article mentions that the 2009 graduands went through the IP. This is true, but they weren't the first batch, and they only had five years of IP (from Sec 2 to JC 2). The first batch was Sec 3 (2004) to JC 2 (2007); the second batch was Sec 3 (2005) to JC 2 (2008); the third batch was Sec 3 (2006) to JC 2 (2009); and the fourth batch was Sec 1 (2005) to JC 2 (2010).
That's because Sec 1 IP was first deployed one year (i.e. 2005) after Sec 3 IP was first deployed (i.e. 2004).
It's probably also true to say that RJC split off from RI and then re-joined as RI(JC) and now they're RI again. A similar process accounts for TCHS/HJC -> HCI. But for ACS(I), ACS became ACS/ACJC, then ACS(I) became a six-year institution without re-combining with ACJC. -
autolycus:
I believed that there are some inaccuracies in respect of the IP batches which hopefully I can put right:mjl:
It is true that RI merged with RJC to become RI, a few years after Chinese High merged with HCJC to become HCI. However, both started the 6-year IP programme the same year, and the first batch which completed 6 years took the 'A' levels in 2009. Evidence is http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/singaporelocalnews/view/1041742/1/.html.
That article mentions that the 2009 graduands went through the IP. This is true, but they weren't the first batch, and they only had five years of IP (from Sec 2 to JC 2). The first batch was Sec 3 (2004) to JC 2 (2007); the second batch was Sec 3 (2005) to JC 2 (2008); the third batch was Sec 3 (2006) to JC 2 (2009); and the fourth batch was Sec 1 (2005) to JC 2 (2010).
That's because Sec 1 IP was first deployed one year (i.e. 2005) after Sec 3 IP was first deployed (i.e. 2004).
It's probably also true to say that RJC split off from RI and then re-joined as RI(JC) and now they're RI again. A similar process accounts for TCHS/HJC -> HCI. But for ACS(I), ACS became ACS/ACJC, then ACS(I) became a six-year institution without re-combining with ACJC.
The pioneer batch of IP students completed 4 years of IP (2004 thru 2007 ); this cohort was in Sec 3 in 2004.
The second batch of IP students completed 5 years of IP (2004 thru 2008); this cohort was in Sec 2 in 2004
The third batch of IP students completed 6 years of IP (the FIRST batch to complete the FULL 6 years of IP) (2004 thru 2009); this cohort was in Sec 1 in 2004.
The fourth batch of IP students completed 6 years of IP (the SECOND batch to complete the FULL 6 years of IP) (2005 thru 2010); this cohort was in Pri 6 in 2004. (p/s and this is NOT the FIRST IP batch to complete 6 years as you have stated; this is the FIRST batch which was eligible for the DSA exercise in Oct/Nov of 2004)
With regard to HCI and RI, I have the following comments:
HCI
On 1 Jan 2005, The Chinese High School (TCHS) and Hwa CHong Junior College (HCJC) merged to become Hwa Chong Institution (HCI). I recalled that unlike RJC, HCJC was not the result of a \"split\" of the Pre-U classes from TCHS.
RI
On 1 Jan 2009, Raffles Institution (RI) and Raffles Junior College (RJC) merged to become Raffles Instituition (RI)
From RI website:
\"1982 saw the establishment of Raffles Junior College (RJC), which took over RI's burgeoning pre-university enrolment. Temporarily housed at Paterson Road, RJC moved to its Mount Sinai campus in 1984, which would form its home for the next 21 years.\"
FYI, the IP history has been tabulated from MOE press releases from 2002 to present:
1 Sep 2010
More Pathways for Secondary School Students (6-year IP)
Sec 1s from AY 2012; Sec 3s (AY 2013 selected 50)students
Victoria School
Cedar Girls' Secondary School
Victoria Junior College
Sec 1s from AY 2013
Catholic High School
CHIJ St Nicholas Girls; School
Methodist Girls' School
St Joseph Institution (extend to Year 5 and Year 6)
Temasek Junior College (extend to Sec 1s and Sec 2s)
9 Sep 2005
River Valley High School (9th) To Offer The Integrated Programme In 2006
6-year IP; for AY 2006 Sec 1s and Sec 2s.
24 Sep 2004
Direct School Admission for Integrated Programme
for the Sec 1s intake for academic year 2005 for the following 7 schools
Anglo Chinese School (Independent) [ACS(I)],
Dunman High School (DHS),
Hwa Chong Institution (The Chinese High School) (HCI),
Nanyang Girls’ High School (NYGH),
National University of Singapore High School of Mathematics and Science (NUSHS)
Raffles Institution (RI),
Raffles Girls School (RGS)
31 Jul 2004
Dunman High School (8th) to offer the Integrated Programme in 2005
6-year IP; for AY 2005 Sec 1s, ????
30 Dec 2003
Temasek Junior College (6th) and Victoria Junior College (7th) to offer the Integrated Programme in 2005
14 Nov 2003
Nanyang Girls’ High School (5th) to Offer the Integrated Programme in 2004
26 Jul 2003
INDEPENDENT JUNIOR COLLEGES, MERGER OF CENTRALISED INSTITUTES AND ENHANCEMENTS TO EDUSAVE SCHOLARSHIPS FRAMEWORK
30 December 2003
MOE has approved the applications from HCJC and RJC to become independent from 1 Jan 2004 and 1 Jan 2005 respectively
30 Dec 2002
MOE Approves the Introduction of Integrated Programmes in Four Schools(1st thru 4th)
The Raffles and Hwa Chong families of schools, National Junior College and Anglo-Chinese School (Independent)
effective for AY 2004 Sec 1s, Sec 2s and Sec 3s in all the schools except for NJC which will enrol students for college IP at year 3. -
Needless to say, RGS and RI are popular schools. Otherwise, they won’t be so arragant in the DSA and post-PSLE intake exercise. If confidence evovles to arragance and selfishness, it is not a good thing.
I have no experience in either RGS or NYGS, but I guess there are several reasons leading to the difference. First, English schools were superior to Chinese schools in Singapore history. Secondly, RGS/RI have a wider variety of selection for students. They attract not only Chinese, but also western, malay and indian students whose parents are most likely doctors and lawyers (that’s why there are more doctors and lawyers coming from RI). and thirdly, some suppressed Chinese parents, like me, hope their children can change color by sending their children to RGS/RI.
now, I realized that it is no wrong to be a Chinese. and I am happy that many other Chinese parents also start to treasure the Chinese tradition.
for example, there are two GEP classes in my daughter’s school, for the DSA batch, only one girls choose RGS, others all goes to NYGH.
Based on the PSLE results, all the top 3 girls (T-score 273 and above) go to NYGH.
To compare the perfornamce of a school, we need not only focus on their
output, but also their input. To evaluate a secondary school, the difference between output and the input says more than the output only.
If the preference of the girls in my daughter’s school is consistent with the overall statitics, I am sure that HCI will catch up RI very soon. In any case, I think parents need not worry that your girls will lag due to insufficient competition in NYGH. -
autolycus:
I believe that you are mistaken here!
Only the http://www.moe.gov.sg/media/press/2004/pr20040924.htm started with IP and have just graduated as the first full-IP batch of 2010. ACS(I) was the only IP school to retain an O-level track.
The MOE press release you quoted referred to the introduction of the Direct School Admission (now commonly referred to as DSA) with effect from academic year 2005 Sec 1s cohort.
In academic year 2004, 3 cohorts went onto the IP track:
Sec 1s (2004 thru 2009; FIRST full 6 years of IP)
Sec 2s (2004 thru 2008; 5 years of IP)
Sec 3s (2004 thru 2007; PIONEER batch completed 4 years of IP)
The 2005 Sec 1s (2004 Pri 6s) is the SECOND batch of full 6 years IP!
Secondly, both HCI and RI do have a couple of classes doing the O-levels (even up till today); these are either students identified as not being suitable for the IP or students choosing to take the O-levels with the intent to \"switch\" to a different JC after the O-levels!
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