Is it easier to go University via the Polytechnic Route?
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Yes the IPs will cream off the best of the cohort right after PSLE.
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noobparent:
Hi Noobparent,rosemummy:
There had been many reported cases of poly grads going on to top unis overseas, but from what I recall, all of them are from the science / engineering / biomedical. I don't recall reading about anyone from the business courses going on to top undergraduate business schools, though the business courses (esp Ngee Ann) have some of the lowest COP.
Anyone know of those from the business courses making it to the top business schools straight after their diploma? I know of 2 poly grads who transferred to top private unis in the US (incl an Ivy League uni) after doing their general education at a community college. I hear that both uni didn't even require their poly transcripts, basing their admission decision mainly on their GPA at the community college.
FYI, SP (being a lecturer there) has produced students who have successfully completed good degree programmes at LSE and even onmoved on to do their MBAs at the likes of Columbia U at NY and Imperial College. I have personally taught a student who is currently at Tanaka School of Business of Imperial College London.
Hope this helps.
Rosemummy,
can you clarify by giving some examples of a top undergrad business school? -
rosemummy:
Hi,There had been many reported cases of poly grads going on to top unis overseas, but from what I recall, all of them are from the science / engineering / biomedical. I don't recall reading about anyone from the business courses going on to top undergraduate business schools, though the business courses (esp Ngee Ann) have some of the lowest COP.
Anyone know of those from the business courses making it to the top business schools straight after their diploma? I know of 2 poly grads who transferred to top private unis in the US (incl an Ivy League uni) after doing their general education at a community college. I hear that both uni didn't even require their poly transcripts, basing their admission decision mainly on their GPA at the community college.
While that is possble, I truly doubt an Ivy would admit such students unless they have been SUPER Spectacular in their community college (and I mean both academically as well as in their non acad activities). Ivies usually admit based on how wholistic an education an individual has received and of course, his or her performance. -
Hotspurs68:
Well, there are always exceptions. Maybe I should re-phrase. At least there are notable exceptions, including the recent SP grad who made it to Harvard. This was impossible 5 to 10 years ago.
Hi,rosemummy:
There had been many reported cases of poly grads going on to top unis overseas, but from what I recall, all of them are from the science / engineering / biomedical. I don't recall reading about anyone from the business courses going on to top undergraduate business schools, though the business courses (esp Ngee Ann) have some of the lowest COP.
Anyone know of those from the business courses making it to the top business schools straight after their diploma? I know of 2 poly grads who transferred to top private unis in the US (incl an Ivy League uni) after doing their general education at a community college. I hear that both uni didn't even require their poly transcripts, basing their admission decision mainly on their GPA at the community college.
While that is possble, I truly doubt an Ivy would admit such students unless they have been SUPER Spectacular in their community college (and I mean both academically as well as in their non acad activities). Ivies usually admit based on how wholistic an education an individual has received and of course, his or her performance.
That said, I think the general point that should be made in this thread is that it is still an exception for Poly grads to move on top Unis worldwide. Perhaps somebody can shed on the numbers each year, I really have no idea.
Anyway, I ask all these questions to educate myself. Last time, the Polys were obviously a lot less progressive compared to today.
I graduated from a top JC about a decade and a half ago. Virtually every student in my civics tutorial (CT) group had good enough grades to get into top overseas Unis. At least 5 went to Oxbridge. One of the President scholars my year came from my CT group. -
parentof3:
not so sure, but i think it also largely depends on the popularity of the course.Hi all,
I have a burning question. There are some who think that it is easier to get into the course you want in university via the polytechnic route than JC route. Is this a myth? Hope the parents can enlighten me.
personal experience, i was accepted into NUS course via my poly grades (but i did not pursue that route); i don't think i will be able to get into the same course if I went JC considering that i was already struggling during the first 3 months scratching my brains on Physics, Chem, and 2 math subjects on top of languages, things that were academic but of no relevance to my eventual choice of work. dragged myself to go school every single day back then.
quite a few of my classmates in poly also eventually graduated from NUS (but only a few stayed on in the industry relevant to the course they took).
(i'm not talking about qualifying for top unis, just regular universities....) -
Hotspurs68, noobparent
By top undergrad business schools, I meant those ranked within the top 20 by Business Week, US News etc. Examples would be Wharton, McIntire, Ross, Hass, Andersen, etc. Most of the Ivies don’t have an undergrad business school, apart from Penn and Cornell, though Cornell only offer hotel management courses. I believe these schools are more highly regarded than the UK unis for undergrad business courses. Oxbridge is not generally known for their business schools.
I’m not talking about postgraduate / MBA since many other factors can contribute to their success there, in particular, their undergrad results. A SP grad, Prof Shih (former NUS VC) went to Harvard this way. -
A JC education is also known as a pre-university course. Therefore JC students are meant for university course. Would there be a better education route for university?
Another thought to note would be that top universities (namely ivy league) usually will visit top junior colleges (RJC, HCI, VJC etc) to conduct recruitment exercises making available application forms which cannot be found elsewhere. Interviews conducted also test in depth writing and analytical skills taught in JC in addition to the normal interview routine.
Scholarships are often offered to JC students as compared to Poly students. Public Service Commission (PSC) , provider of many prestigious scholarships offer PSC JC1 Internship as well as Post A LEVEL Internship. This means that JC students can expect to work in Ministries (Education, Finance etc) even before they make their applications for universities. Students will also receive testimonials by senior government officials to aid their university applications.
Polytechnic students by no means will have a easier time getting to a university. Polytechnic education is meant for students to prepare for work. -
If a student cannot make it to jc and indeed have to attend poly education, try to do it at Republic Poly than another poly. Think you stand a better chance going to uni.
Easier to compete with less decent 0-level grads. That way easier to obtain higher gpa.
Pandai pandai lah. -
JC route is much easier than Poly route. Approximately 80%-85% of the JC graduates are qulified to continue their studies in one of the local universities, but only 5%-10% of the poly graduates can continue. In fact, even a JC student only scores BCC/C in A level, he can still find a course in local U which accepts his application. However, a Poly student need a minimum GPA of 3.4~3.5/4 to continue, this means on average, he needs to score 85%+ in his studies throughout the three years, that is very challenging and that is why the rate is always lower than 10%.
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FrekiWang:
JC route is much easier than Poly route. Approximately 80%-85% of the JC graduates are qulified to continue their studies in one of the local universities, but only 5%-10% of the poly graduates can continue. In fact, even a JC student only scores BCC/C in A level, he can still find a course in local U which accepts his application. However, a Poly student need a minimum GPA of 3.4~3.5/4 to continue, this means on average, he needs to score 85%+ in his studies throughout the three years, that is very challenging and that is why the rate is always lower than 10%.
Base on your above posting, an A-level holder has an university admission score of 70 points, taking gp and project work as C. Only non popular courses are open such as:
1. Nursing- Grads from NP and NYP have a good shot too.
2. Fine arts - needs to have a portfolio
3. NTU Mechanical Engineering & Electrical Engineering
4. NIE Arts/Science
With such UAS, these A-level holders are not eligible to take other courses apart from those i mentioned.
Imagine having to take a course you don't like just to get a local degree?
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