2010 COPs for 2011 Sec One Intake

[matadorepy]

jtoh:

matadorepy:

I suppose finance is the main reason why few actually ventured out . Unless you get a local PSC, MOE, A* star or some GLC scholarhip or best oversea sponsored scholarship, few will ventured out unless sponsored by rich parent.

Did the NUSH principal mention how many NUSH graduates secured government scholarships?

I think 2 received PSC Scholarship, A few A* scholarship and MOE scholarhip too. Info may be on the website somewhere.

[jtoh]

matadorepy:

jtoh:

[quote=\"matadorepy\"]
I suppose finance is the main reason why few actually ventured out . Unless you get a local PSC, MOE, A* star or some GLC scholarhip or best oversea sponsored scholarship, few will ventured out unless sponsored by rich parent.

Did the NUSH principal mention how many NUSH graduates secured government scholarships?

I think 2 received PSC Scholarship, A few A* scholarship and MOE scholarhip too. Info may be on the website somewhere.[/quote]Thanks.

[matadorepy]

WeiHan:

matadorepy:

[quote=\"tisha\"]
I did go to the open house last year and did hear the pricipal say what you have just mentioned. There is one point that struck to me a bit strange though. Out of the 81 or so students who graduated last year all went to NUS inspite of being offered a place in the top Unis of the world. Not a single student ventured out :shock: I understand that most students must have finished a few modules of undergrad at NUS during thier final years in NUSH and did not want to waste it, but is that the only reason? :?

I suppose finance is the main reason why few actually ventured out . Unless you get a local PSC, MOE, A* star or some GLC scholarhip or best oversea sponsored scholarship, few will ventured out unless sponsored by rich parent.

The best path for these students isn't to take up these scholarships that has a bond. Most likely they will not be placed in a science or technology related job while serving the bond. I think the best path for them will be to get a good degree (local university provides good quality maths and science degree) and then proceed later to post graduate studies in world renowned centers. Post graduate studies in almost every part of the world are based on master-apprentice system, so one usually does not need to pay for fees will receive a small sustenance allowance. So most GLC, PSC, MOE scholarships are out.

I know of really good NUSH graduates who get subsidies by university such as MIT. so their tuition is almost free.[/quote]Noted.

[Way2GO]

WeiHan:

The best path for these students isn't to take up these scholarships that has a bond. Most likely they will not be placed in a science or technology related job while serving the bond. I think the best path for them will be to get a good degree (local university provides good quality maths and science degree) and then proceed later to post graduate studies in world renowned centers. Post graduate studies in almost every part of the world are based on master-apprentice system, so one usually does not need to pay for fees will receive a small sustenance allowance. So most GLC, PSC, MOE scholarships are out.

I know of really good NUSH graduates who get subsidies by university such as MIT. so their tuition is almost free.

Dat's good advice.
I wonder how many r aware of this.
Tuition fees for post grad in these Unis r waived n grads r given a stipend for living allowances.
So it is essentially a free ride for Masters n PhD except u hv to help out in d chosen dept.
Wat I know bf was dat if on bonded undergrad scholarships,
these grads r required to return to serve out d bonds upon gradation,
n r discouraged to take up post grad even if results r good enuf to be offered
such further studies.
I wonder if d policies hv changed?
To be a researcher, a basic degree is not sufficient.

[csc]

There it goes again!


I am amused at the situation ... I am not laughing at anybody by any means.

Sigh! Clearly there is a language and cultural barrier here.

Oh dear, hope it will not be misintepreted again.

[WeiHan]

Way2GO:

WeiHan:

The best path for these students isn't to take up these scholarships that has a bond. Most likely they will not be placed in a science or technology related job while serving the bond. I think the best path for them will be to get a good degree (local university provides good quality maths and science degree) and then proceed later to post graduate studies in world renowned centers. Post graduate studies in almost every part of the world are based on master-apprentice system, so one usually does not need to pay for fees will receive a small sustenance allowance. So most GLC, PSC, MOE scholarships are out.

I know of really good NUSH graduates who get subsidies by university such as MIT. so their tuition is almost free.

Dat's good advice.
I wonder how many r aware of this.
Tuition fees for post grad in these Unis r waived n grads r given a stipend for living allowances.
So it is essentially a free ride for Masters n PhD except u hv to help out in d chosen dept.
Wat I know bf was dat if on bonded undergrad scholarships,
these grads r required to return to serve out d bonds upon gradation,
n r discouraged to take up post grad even if results r good enuf to be offered
such further studies.
I wonder if d policies hv changed?
To be a researcher, a basic degree is not sufficient.

I am quite sure some of you still remember that Phillip Yeo wanted to publish some names that break bonds.

I also know someone who break bond with A*star after one year in Caltech undergrad study. The fact is that these university provide undergrad tuition fees subsidies if you can prove that you come from financially underpriviledge family. This guy that mentioned manage to secure such a subsidy from catech after first year study and so decided to break bond. But the unfortunately part is that he needs to pay back certain amount of the bond values which i thought is not worth it. He could have just proceed to his study without the scholarship and still get his subsidy in the second year. But you will need to come out with your own first year fees and living expenses.

I also know of people who break bond so that they can pursue their Ph.D. ....but you know, breaking bond is expensive and you risk having your name published. I think the scholarship granting agencies have to be partly responsible. they marketed their scholasrships so well that these young recipients, at an age of 18, cannot understand the consequences of such bonds but can only see the prestige and material benefits attached with these scholarship. They are partly to be blamed.

[micko07]

WeiHan:

The best path for these students isn't to take up these scholarships that has a bond. Most likely they will not be placed in a science or technology related job while serving the bond. I think the best path for them will be to get a good degree (local university provides good quality maths and science degree) and then proceed later to post graduate studies in world renowned centers. Post graduate studies in almost every part of the world are based on master-apprentice system, so one usually does not need to pay for fees will receive a small sustenance allowance. So most GLC, PSC, MOE scholarships are out.

I know of really good NUSH graduates who get subsidies by university such as MIT. so their tuition is almost free.

The local schools are good, but they are no Oxbridge, HYPMS or Caltech, except for maybe Medicine, Dentistry and Law IMO. It's very debatable whether the potential gains justify the significantly higher costs though, and with a good undergrad degree, many options should be available for postgraduate studies, locally and overseas.

I think it's worth noting that
1) Merit based, bond free scholarships are almost impossible to get for the top US/UK schools (eg Jardine, Loke Cheng Kim). Most top schools (eg Harvard, Oxford) don't offer it.
2) Financial Aid is mostly need based in the US and you need to qualify for it. If the school is not Need Blind, requesting for aid could lower your chances of admission. It's already difficult enough as an international, let alone one asking for aid.
3) UK offers no such financial aid, except for some bursary schemes (mostly for 3rd world country students)
4) I think there's the DSTA & A*Star scholarships if one is interested in Science research. With bonds though.

I may be wrong, but Postgrad has two kinds: Research and Course based. I know you can get funding, but otherwise people have to pay their own way through grad school most of the time. The fees can be quite high, especially for stuff like MBA or LLM (Law). I don't recall there ever being a master-apprentice system though, unless you meant research based degrees?

[3Boys]

WeiHan:

3Boys:

I'd disagree. It would be a disappointment if having swiped a significant fraction of the cream of students, that they all turned out to be leaders in scientific and technical fields only. Their mission needs to be greater than that.

This just depends on your perspective. To me, genuine leaders in scientific and technological research are much more difficult to produce than politicians in the local context. Thus the need for a real specialised school like NUSH to accomplish this mission.

I am in biomedical sciences, with responsibility for a research group. You can only do so much as a pure scientific/technical leader. And whilst true geniuses are hard to find, and when found, should be groomed, increasingly scientific discovery in any field is a team effort. The scientific leader who is able to cooperate, collaborate, integrate a team, is far more effective in the modern environment than a pure genius who works alone.

Wei Han, I assume you are still schooling. Trust me, technical excellence can only get you so far, not only as an individual, but in furthering human endeavour. If our best technical brains do not develop those additional skills, then it crying crying shame. Those additional skills then also allow these individuals to take up further leadership positions in industry and public sector, and should absolutely do so if they have the desire. These are talent that cannot be lost to society just because they obtained a PhD.

[HKmum]

Hi matadoreply, can tell you are a very kind person. Iam from HK and been here for 4 yrs only. That is why iam going to be very careful when using English as my English is horrible too, in case, people will start making fun of others. That not the main point, i have a question for you and posted under NUS High Math and Science as i think over there will be safer.

[WeiHan]

micko07:

I don't recall there ever being a master-apprentice system though, unless you meant research based degrees?

I am refering to research based Ph.D degree. Most students will work like an apprentice for their professor in exchange for guidances and advices for their thesis.