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Joseph27:
you have miss-read my post or missed my point, or both.… how is it that my daughter isnt given a choice? … You seem to suggest that by opening her mind to question I am not giving her a choice? …
I do not equate the sales training you provided with denying her of a choice. What I pointed out is that your claim of giving her the chance of free thought is flawed. You even agreed that thoughts are influenced by circumstances and environment and even seem to understand that the realm of thoughts is a complex one. One’s thoughts are a result of complex individual propensities and prevailing circumstances. Conditioning also plays a role in developing our thinking habits. The sales training you provided is a form of conditioning. Thereafter, how deeply she digs into your pocket will depend on her propensities and intelligence. This is where moral values and ethics come into play; the thought to break daddy’s wallet or not to.
The question of allowing or denying her of a choice is irrelevant.
Your belief in acts of personal indiscretion being a lesser crime than not allowing the chance to free thought is a misguided one. Today’s world provides sufficient evidence to learn that free thoughts are largely misguided, somewhat similar to a young girl breaking her daddy's wallet.
In contrast to your belief, to deny my children of the chance to inculcate good moral values would be a terrible crime on my part; to condone acts of personal indiscretion committed out of free will is unthinkable, notwithstanding my forgiveness. -
Definition of 'free to choose' when come to choosing CCA.
me : \"Sure, u have the choice of not joining St John's Ambulance. But I must reiterate that NCC and NPCC really sux big time. You don't believe me? You go and experience for yourself. You will live to regret it!! Yeah, I'm not forcing you to choose the St John's Ambulance\"
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dunnoleh:
Let me just clarify this in the context in which it was written - I attempt to inculcate to my daughters a strong sense of moral values albeit without any religious providence, a love of the environment, respect for other people, respect for yourself and a thirst for knowledge. That, I believe, is a great foundation from which to pursue all other interests and activities. My wife and I are a happily functional monogamous couple and we interact in a social group of similarly minded people, some religious some not. The statement that I could tolerate an indiscretion more than I could, my wife demanding that our daughters follow a strict version of Islam is based on the overall world view we currently share and having that attacked by religious fundamentalism. In the end my wife isn’t about to ask for that. I am sure my wife would have a similar repulsion if I came home and started to teach our daughters that evolution is false and that the world is only 6000 years old – that would be an attack on our family as much as anything. In time I could forgive an indiscretion through counseling and dialogue – I could not however forgive anyone asking me to change the way I teach my children and getting me to teach them something I hold as false.Your belief in acts of personal indiscretion being a lesser crime than not allowing the chance to free thought is a misguided one. Today’s world provides sufficient evidence to learn that free thoughts are largely misguided, somewhat similar to a young girl breaking her daddy's wallet.
In contrast to your belief, to deny my children of the chance to inculcate good moral values would be a terrible crime on my part; to condone acts of personal indiscretion committed out of free will is unthinkable, notwithstanding my forgiveness. -
insider:
That was a nice reply, thanks for taking the time to write it.Joseph27:
I attempt to inculcate to my daughters a strong sense of moral values albeit without any religious providence, a love of the environment, respect for other people, respect for yourself and a thirst for knowledge. That, I believe, is a great foundation from which to pursue all other interests and activities.
I can see clearly where you are coming from though I am a devoted Buddhist myself.
Much as it seems like you are 'anti-religion', I don't take offence of it at all coz I know exactly who I am and you can have your point of view too.
Though I see the beauty of Buddhism and ever experienced the light of mercy, I cannot expect my kids to feel the same and impose on them that coz I believe, you have to believe to.
I can only share with them and live my life as kind and as compassionate as I can, then it's up to my three kids to go explore for themselves what they want or they can be an atheist if they so decide. I do not think a lack of religion will lead someone without any moral compass coz I have faith in them as a human, with or without religion.
Buddha said it long ago that his followers are not to take very word written literally coz he had already foreseen some of his words might be twisted by men. He taught us to keep observing and keep thinking (with our hearts) and we are free to discard / dispute anything written if some things do not make sense to us (of course, best to only discard after we have counseling sessions with the learned monks).
For real Buddhist monks and nuns, they have daily 'debate' sessions to question/challenge the teachings of Buddha. Through such debates, they can think and see more thoroughly the actual meanings of those teachings and from there, perhaps can internalise better instead of just practise in a superficial way coz one can never attain enlightenment without deep reflections... -
Being a Christian, I think it is more of the ACT of the homosexuality that is a sin, being a homesexual isn't. It is just like we are angry with the act of our children but not angry at the child.
It is the orientation of a person, but if he choose to act according to it, that is a sin. IMHO. :celebrate: -
blurkotoko:
Being a Christian, I think it is more of the ACT of the homosexuality that is a sin, being a homesexual isn't. It is just like we are angry with the act of our children but not angry at the child.
It is the orientation of a person, but if he choose to act according to it, that is a sin. IMHO. :celebrate:
Are any sexual acts within the confines of a marriage also a sin? How about between boyfriend and girlfriend? How about the girl is of greek decent and is partial to enjoying activities attributed by racial stereotyping... is that a sin? -
An act that is wrong is still wrong, whether it is done inside marriage or outside marriage, whether it is homosexuals or heterosexual. Like I have mentioned previously, I feel that the act of it, in the context of my religion, that is a sin, to others it is merely something wrong. Peace out.
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Joseph27:
If there's no faith or religion, then what is sin? :?
Are any sexual acts within the confines of a marriage also a sin? How about between boyfriend and girlfriend? How about the girl is of greek decent and is partial to enjoying activities attributed by racial stereotyping... is that a sin?
GOODNESS is only a figment of your imagination, ya? -
Nebbermind:
I was more so mocking a concept rather than espousing belief in faith and the concept of sin... the very notion that a god created all of this some 10 billion or so years ago, that that god then started the process of making earth and slowly populating it despite having to eradicate 99.9% of all species that at some point lived on the planet, that that god gave a set of rules based on a very dicey set of principals that demonstrated its jealous streak. A god that sent his only begotten son via a virgin to be a blood sacrifice, that he then spoke to a guy in a mountain and that led us all to this time - so you had better not stick your penis where it doesnt belong or that god will be angry.
If there's no faith or religion, then what is sin? :?Joseph27:
Are any sexual acts within the confines of a marriage also a sin? How about between boyfriend and girlfriend? How about the girl is of greek decent and is partial to enjoying activities attributed by racial stereotyping... is that a sin?
GOODNESS is only a figment of your imagination, ya?
The very concept of a personal god caring about your sex life is beyond my comprehension. -
Joseph27, I supposed you have had some bad experience with Christianity? Why not all of us focus on the topic instead?
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