Learning Hanyu Pinyin

[buds]

I'm sure you're up to your hands full.

Being SAHM doesn't mean you cannot
ask for help. We're a shout-out away
in case you need us.. take care.

You're on the right track then with the
thread topic. Yes, characters first then
HYPY. HYPY is romanised so for that u
already have Phonics for back up..

[mamemo]

Generally my DS is pretty ok with HYPY, however he tends to mix up these:


1) ou and uo
2) ui and iu
3) ei and ie
4) ai and ia

How to help him to remember ? tried many ways, like drawing a picture to associate with the sounds or ask him to think of his name (cos his name has a "ui" sound), but he still mixes them up.

Any parents here can share how do you help your child to remember the above sounds ?

Thanks !

[smurf]

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Just want to know, for certain words, the 音调 is this sound , but when 拼with another word, the 音调 change.

For example:

The word: 不

不怕 bu(2) pa(4)

But, individually, it's read as bu(4) pa(4)

So, (2) is correct, or (4) is correct? :?

[tamarind]

Hi smurf,

There are some rules :

http://www.learnchineseeveryday.com/2009/07/25/pinyin-tutorial-change-of-tones/
In Chinese it happens that sometimes we change the Tones of certain Pinyin syllable to improve the clarity or ease pronunciation difficulties, here are some general rules:

When two 3rd tones come together, the first tone changes into the 2nd (but its tone mark remains unchanged), e.g. “你好 nǐ hǎo” (How are you) is actually pronounced as “ní hǎo”.
When a syllable in the 3rd tone precedes a syllable in the 1st, 2nd, 4th or neutral tone, it is pronounced in the half 3rd tone, that is, the tone only falls but doesn’t rise, e.g. “你们 nǐ men”.


Change of Tones of “不” and “一”
“不 bù” is pronounced in the 2nd tone (bú) when it is put before a syllable in the 4th tone or a syllable in the neutral tone developed from 4th tone, e.g. “不谢 bú xiè” (Don’t mention it), “不是 bú shì” (No, it isn’t). But “不” is still pronounced in the 4th tone (bù) when it precedes a syllable in the 1st, 2nd or 3rd tone, e.g. “不新 bù xīn” (not new), “不来 bù lái” (not come), “不好 bù hǎo” (not good).

“一 yī” is pronounced in the 2nd tone (yí) when it precedes a syllable in the 4th tone or a syllable in the neutral tone developed from the 4th tone, e.g. “一块 yí kuài” (a block/bar), “一个 yí gè” (a piece). But “一” is pronounced in the 4th tone (yì) when it precedes a syllable in the 1st, 2nd or 3rd tone, e.g. “一天 yì tiān” (a day), “一年 yì nián” (a year), “一起 yì qǐ ” (together).

[smurf]

Thanks Tamarind!


I was hoping that you replied... :lol:

[smurf]

During exam, the original tone is deem correct or the changed tone is correct? :?

[tamarind]

smurf:

During exam, the original tone is deem correct or the changed tone is correct? :?

In the dictionary, the tone for “一” is always yī, regardless of the word that comes after it. It is only when we speak, then we change the tone accordingly.

However, I am not sure how teachers will mark it in tests and exam. In my kids' school, hanyu pinyin is only tested in the first half of P1, not tested any more after that.

[smurf]

Oh, ok…thanks…

[e3nity]

Anyone has tips on teaching han yu pin ying? What sort of materials are needed to coach kids on it??

[MMM]

e3nity:

Anyone has tips on teaching han yu pin ying? What sort of materials are needed to coach kids on it??

They sell hypy posters in popular. Those good for pasting on the wall. It has sheng mu and yun mu. My kids' school uses that I bought that for home and found it useful. Personally, I found it easy as there are pictures on the poster for each sound, so it helps me to remember the sound as well if I am unsure.