Opinions of the Primary School Registration System
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Hi,
From what I read, what Caroline2sg is saying is that it is ok to be unscrupulous, and that the ends justifies the means.
What about being in the shoes of the parents in Phase 2B??
This incident only shows that applicants in Phase 2A and above are of such high priority that it overrides everyone else. BTW, even the PS for MOE had stated that this should not be the case.caroline3sg:
eelsemaj
Someone analyse the situation as: applied for 2nd choice sch (under 2A2) to secure a place first and then call up 1st choice sch on 2nd day of 2B, if sure get in without ballot, withdraw from 2A2; after noticing some changes in 1 - 2 vacancies in 2A2 & 2B.
But we won't be able to do a corresponding link between the 2 sch.
So Aitong case could be someone within 1km wanted this sch as first choice but unsure of balloting distance, so registered in 2A2 of 2nd choice sch. After calling sch to cfm no ballot for within 1km, apply here and withdraw elsewhere, leading to 2B reduction.
This is speculation but I guess, if many people are aware of such strategy, more would follow suit. You would see more of such cases in future as compared to this yr about 2 cases for several schs.
As this is speculation, we don't know how true it is. Take it with a pinch of salt what Aitong said.
But then again, what happens if you are in that person's shoes? You would want to maximise your chances, isn't it? -
eelsemaj
Perhaps you misunderstand what I meant when I wrote "what happens if you are in that person’s shoes? You would want to maximise your chances, right?" I meant would you do likewise? Give it a thought first before jumping to conclusion. Because now you are in 2B, you stand from 2B pt of view. If you are in 2A, would you spare a thought to those in 2B? In this world, everyone think of self first. I am only highlighting to you.
For your info, I belong to 2C. -
By the way eelsemaj, when are you expecting to get the letter from MOE? The balloting is today right? Good news?
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"Forgot to register in earlier phases" is an excuse given by Aitong, that’s why I mentioned to eelsemai to take with a pinch of salt by highlighting someone suspected several people using strategy to move from 2A2 (2nd choice sch) to 2B (first choice sch).
In fact, someone admitted in another forum outside KiasuParents, changing from Aitong to Red Swastika. Both these sch are hot. This case isn’t give rise to one more 2B vacancy in Aitong if you view it from the other perspective?
eelsemaj
I guess that person is maximising his choices. In this world, nothing is fair. -
eelsemaj:
James... I don't think that is what Caroline is saying at all. She is simply pointing out the fact that most parents will do all they can within the legal framework to get the best for their children. I'm not sure I understood her examples, but in general, as long as the system never allows for post-Phase registrations, there is no way anyone can stand on 2 boats at the same time and take up 2 places.Hi,
From what I read, what Caroline2sg is saying is that it is ok to be unscrupulous, and that the ends justifies the means.... -
ChiefKiasu:
Yep, this is what all parents that I spoke to thought of, except caroline.
With respect to the Ai Tong and Pei Hwa cases, I'm not sure what happened or whether it was a misunderstanding, but the idea of having deadlines on Phases is to prevent exactly things like that from happening. If you \"forgot\" to register in time, then you have passed up your chance to do so, and that should be the end of it. No excuse should be accepted either by the school or the authorities, otherwise, the whole system breaks down.
BTW, Ai Tong had said that it was MOE who advised them to take the places out of 2B for these 2 applicants who missed their deadline.
Still waiting for reply from MOE on this.
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eelsemaj:
Wow, I thought such \"pull strings\" tactics are not allowed in our righteous island. Do share with us when MOE does reply.
Yep, this is what all parents that I spoke to thought of, except caroline.ChiefKiasu:
With respect to the Ai Tong and Pei Hwa cases, I'm not sure what happened or whether it was a misunderstanding, but the idea of having deadlines on Phases is to prevent exactly things like that from happening. If you \"forgot\" to register in time, then you have passed up your chance to do so, and that should be the end of it. No excuse should be accepted either by the school or the authorities, otherwise, the whole system breaks down.
BTW, Ai Tong had said that it was MOE who advised them to take the places out of 2B for these 2 applicants who missed their deadline.
Still waiting for reply from MOE on this.
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eelsemaj
You have not commented whether you would adopt the same strategy if you are in 2A2.
"Yep, this is what all parents that I spoke to thought of, except caroline." Everyone have their own thoughts. You can voice your feeling of unfairness but I don’t owe you any judgement on this case. Ultimately, MOE/sch makes the decision. To me, this case is like "oh there is such strategy". Can use it or not depends on, in the first place, whether you have what it takes to be in 2A2. Followed by wanting to adopt this strategy or not. At this point, would you think of others in later phases? I think majority won’t.
If we are from later phases, just have to accept it because we don’t have the criteria. Rules/Decisions are made by MOE and not necessarily to everybody’s advantage.
Never in my posting did I mention I support nor against such strategy. -
eelsemaj:
eelsemaj
Yep, this is what all parents that I spoke to thought of, except caroline.
I think you have misunderstood Caroline. I agree with Chief analysis.ChiefKiasu:
Now we know that these actually happened (or, was it a misunderstanding bewteen the school and MOE staff) and if this is widely circulated, parents can use the excuse \"forgot to register in earlier phases\" to get into their 2nd choice sch in the previous phase after they learned that they might have to go through balloting BEFORE registering their kids in their 1st choice sch in the current phase.
With respect to the Ai Tong and Pei Hwa cases, I'm not sure what happened or whether it was a misunderstanding, but the idea of having deadlines on Phases is to prevent exactly things like that from happening. If you \"forgot\" to register in time, then you have passed up your chance to do so, and that should be the end of it. No excuse should be accepted either by the school or the authorities, otherwise, the whole system breaks down.
I think Caroline was referring to those parents who might knowingly make use of this loophole / so call stratagy in order to get their kids into the school they desired. In this case, the excuse of \"forgot to register\".
Just like most parents who are in Phase 2C. They will wait and see the no. of registrants for the first choice school. If there will be a ballating carry out, these parents, after accessing their successful rate, might go for their 2nd choice school in phase 2C on the last day. Just that in this case, there will be no reduction in vacancies as you mentioned in your case for earlier phases.
Personally, after searching my heart for an answer to Caroline's comment of whether:caroline3sg:
But then again, what happens if you are in that person's shoes? You would want to maximise your chances, isn't it?
I think I might do the same thing to maximise my chances.
BUT then again, I'm in Phase 2C, so this is out of the question.
Overall, I have this feeling that the MOE staff who gave the approvals to the Schools might be underequipped with the knowledge in this case. :roll:
After you brought up your case with your MP, I think MOE will not allow this to happen ever, ever again...
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Hi all, amendment.... :oops:
caroline3sg:
I think I might do the same thing to maximise my chances.But then again, what happens if you are in that person's shoes? You would want to maximise your chances, isn't it?
BUT then again, I'm in Phase 2C, so this is out of the question.
Overall, I have this feeling that the MOE staff who gave the approvals to the Schools might be underequipped with the knowledge in this case.
After you brought up your case with your MP, I think MOE will not allow this to happen ever, ever again...
Heehee..first time posting...got some problem with the \"quote\" feature.. :oops:
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