Post GE 2011 Discussion

[WeiHan]

verykiasu2010:

ChiefKiasu:

[quote=\"dokomo\"]on the topic of social media and this GE:


http://www.straitstimes.com/STForum/OnlineStory/STIStory_667142.html

Do you agree with the writer's point? Do you think social media is anti-PAP?

not necessarily. also got pro-PAP ones[/quote]Social media tends to incline towards libertarian view and since PAP is more of authoritatrian and conservatism in its principle, it will seems that most view in social media is \"anti-PAP\". Extending this view, it is natural that party that embrace a libertarian view will garner most its support from new social media. In fact, in its very spirit, social media represents support at its core, libertarian view, which is the freedom of exchange of ideas, free competition of ideas and freedom of speech. This is contrary to a repressive atmosphere where the authority claims monopoly of absolute truth and thus seek to appress alternative views and ideas.

[kaka]

WeiHan:

verykiasu2010:

[quote=\"ChiefKiasu\"][


Do you agree with the writer's point? Do you think social media is anti-PAP?

not necessarily. also got pro-PAP ones

Social media tends to incline towards libertarian view and since PAP is more of authoritatrian and conservatism in its principle, it will seems that most view in social media is \"anti-PAP\". Extending this view, it is natural that party that embrace a libertarian view will garner most its support from new social media. In fact, in its very spirit, social media represents support at its core, libertarian view, which is the freedom of exchange of ideas, free competition of ideas and freedom of speech. This is contrary to a repressive atmosphere where the authority claims monopoly of absolute truth and thus seek to appress alternative views and ideas.[/quote]I felt this forum had been more \"anti\" than \"pro\".

Freedom of speech and ideas are great, our society also needs to progress at the same time such that we can engage in \"intelligent debate\" (a term used by Nicole Seah)

[concern2]

DesertWind:

MummyThreeStreams:

[quote=\"Busymom\"] I can understand when one of forummers said that one of her friends responded with \" We lost GY\" after receiving a Happy Mothers' Day text message... frankly I felt like that too.

We can both cry together then!

How about Mr Ong who waited until his father passed on before joining the PAP and yet not even have the chance of a foot into Parliament? The newspapers reported that he went to pay his father respect after the election. I wonder what went through his mind? [/quote]\"Dad, you were with the Opp before, fighting for democracy. I have never realized what you went through until I witnessed how the WP fought this round. :sad: I wished I had joined the WP :stupid: \"

[dokomo]

verykiasu2010:

ChiefKiasu:

[quote=\"dokomo\"]on the topic of social media and this GE:


http://www.straitstimes.com/STForum/OnlineStory/STIStory_667142.html

Do you agree with the writer's point? Do you think social media is anti-PAP?

not necessarily. also got pro-PAP ones[/quote]Got pro-PAP lah, but i noticed they usually got \"thumb-down\" a lot. Those anti will get \"thumb-up\", if you look at those comments in sg.yahoo.

I too wonder why this GE social media seems to play a bit part compared to 2006. Probably in 2006, social media was not so \"matured\" then or maybe i wasn't so into surfing the net yet? :imanangel: :evil: Social media is no longer about \"advertising\" yourself, but what others comment about you.

can get a lot of interesting alternative views from these social media... it sort of balance up with the traditional media which are pro-pap?

[limlim]

ChiefKiasu:

dokomo:

on the topic of social media and this GE:


http://www.straitstimes.com/STForum/OnlineStory/STIStory_667142.html

Do you agree with the writer's point? Do you think social media is anti-PAP?

Social media simply reflects how the netizen felt.

And most of the time, it consists of mainly the display of facts that would be \"covered up\" by the MSM.

On the other hand, MSM is definitely pro-PAP.

Seems more like a case of the pot calling the kettle black?

[limlim]

dokomo:

Got pro-PAP lah, but i noticed they usually got \"thumb-down\" a lot. Those anti will get \"thumb-up\", if you look at those comments in sg.yahoo.

bcoz most of the MIW replies are.. insulting to the pple.

For e.g. fuel price up.. they up the fare, saying higher operating cost.. But fuel price down, they never reduce the fare, claiming forget what reasons..

Then, as the cost of living became an issue, they raise the price again and LTA approved it.. and then they posted record profits..

So, you ask yourself, is the Govt serving the pple or serving corporations?

[limlim]

Another classic example…


"GST is to help the poor"…

Like how a former PAP MP puts it… "Why break a person’s leg then give him clutches?"

Naturally, that MP is no longer in PAP.

[Daddy D]

AceTutors123:

Daddy

Social media shakes up Singapore political terrain

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/afp_singapore/view/1128130/1/.html

\"...Popular blogger Lee Kin Mun, who runs the satirical site mrbrown.com, said the PAP was not used to the spontaneous, two-way communication in social media.

\"They have full control of the media here, so you've got mainstream media, papers and TV stations and radio stations toeing the line for you and disseminating your views, your spin to the public,\" he told AFP.

\"Now you can't be shielded any more... You tell people to 'like' you on your Facebook page, I will 'like' just to go in there and say something I don't like about you,\" he added....\"

Moral of the story? Don't anyhow add friends or ask people to 'like' your facebook page? :razz:

Oh, I thought the bigger lesson will be to listen, understand and respond to the people you serve, whether are they your citizens, customers or employees.

Yes teacher.... :razz:

[ChiefKiasu]

dokomo:

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I too wonder why this GE social media seems to play a bit part compared to 2006. Probably in 2006, social media was not so \"matured\" then or maybe i wasn't so into surfing the net yet?...

That's because it was forbidden to use the Internet for political broadcasts in 2006. Without the videos, everything is just kopitiam talk. Talk is cheap and easy to brush away as rumours. But the videos added a new dimension of reality to the whole thing. Rumours are no longer considered as \"rumours\" if people are able to see it for themselves.

Think about it. How did you form your impression of TPL? From what people say, or from the Youtube video of her stomping her feet and of course, that Kate Spade picture. If you had not seen it for yourself, do you think you will personally have any real opinion of her, good or bad?

[concern2]

insider:

ChiefKiasu:

[quote=\"dokomo\"]on the topic of social media and this GE:


http://www.straitstimes.com/STForum/OnlineStory/STIStory_667142.html

Do you agree with the writer's point? Do you think social media is anti-PAP?

From the many sources that I'd read, I agree that posts are mostly PRO-SINGAPORE and thereby maybe 'anti-PAP'.

This is inevitable coz public voices are seldom heard/printed by mainstream media and has to go 'underground' in a way. Once it is long suppressed and have to go 'underground', it is more difficult to engage in a meaningful form since public manifestation of such disagreement of policies are generally not welcomed or brushed aside or taken as 'noise'. People 'hide' behind the screen, each offering different opinions on policies, some are noteworthy while some have to be taken with a pinch of salt.

The current situation is brought by PAP themselves when they controlled the media to voice only positive things instead of otherwise and people are forced to voice grievances in social media (the way I grumbled about MCYS; about talking to them also no use despite having the facts and are powerless to do anything to them when my school licenses are dependent on them). This 白色恐怖 (fear of white) finally burst itself in full power for this election and more power to come for subsequent elections.

Unless mainstream media allow presentation of 'noises' and the authorities deal with such 'noises' constructively instead of issuing blanket/high handed replies, very few intellectual ones are willing to spend their time and effort to put their rationale voices to them (save breath).

Mainstream media give voices of PAP, social media give alternative voices of the general public. Sooner or later maybe ST can close shop...[/quote] :goodpost: