Post GE 2011 Discussion
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3Boys:
I completely agree with you. Thanks for clearing the landminesFunz:
[quote=\"ChiefKiasu\"]Funz, thank you for your contributions so far. You are telling the other side of the story, the reason why Singaporean employers need to hire foreign workers to run their operations. This is something that often gets lost in the debate against FTs. And it IS different coming from a real employer like yourself, than from the government trying to explain its policies.
Thank you Chief.
I find it scary that people only see one side of things. When in actual fact, it is multi faceted and any change to a single aspect affects the rest.
This thing about foreign workers is one of those. People only see competition from them but in truth, yes they may compete on some level but on many levels they compliment. And it is naive the demand that we only want the part that compliments but don't want the competition.
People cheered when WP won Aljunied GRC, the fact that GY will be gone if he lost was talked about from the beginning but people consoled themselves that it's ok, he will be ok. And when it really happened, petition to reinstate him? And when the Govt does not, talks about conspiracy to oust GY surfaces, etc. OK don't shoot me, I have nothing against the outcome of this election. I am just using this to illustrate that the result does not end with just WP winning and getting an alternative voice with all good things still remaining status quo. Oft times, there is a price to be paid we must then look really hard and ask ourselves if we are prepared to pay that price.
Ok said too much oredi. Gonna zip up before I step some bombs.
[/quote]I want to say thank you too... it is very tiring.
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Busymom:
I am talking about grassroot MPs, not the ministers. The other non-minister MPs can hold regular day job in addition to being a MP.concern2:
Yet, they are holding 2 salaries right? One for being MP (member of parliament) and one for holding Ministerial job. Correct me if I am wrong..
So if they are paid to do the job, wouldn't it be their responsibility to be there most of the time? -
concern2:
I am talking about grassroot MPs, not the ministers. The other non-minister MPs can hold regular day job in addition to being a MP.Busymom:
[quote=\"concern2\"]
Yet, they are holding 2 salaries right? One for being MP (member of parliament) and one for holding Ministerial job. Correct me if I am wrong..
So if they are paid to do the job, wouldn't it be their responsibility to be there most of the time?[/quote]Busymom, ok, ok, I get it...you were referring to those who happen to be at the MTPS when the MP is not around..
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Oppsgal:
Our unemployment rate is very low now, can't remember the exact figure but it is 1+%.verykiasu2010:
if remember correctly, they wanted to operate the berths on their own, take over a number of quay from PSA, and nego on rental but PSA did not want to back down....and JB PTP came with a good offer and off they went. Ended up with lots of retrenchment in singapore, not only port workers, but also all the related supporting industries who used to support Maersk - all lost biz and close shop...... quite many thousand in total lost job, a few times the number of directly affected port workers. gov't had to step in
lesson learnt : don't be penny wise, pound foolish....same for airline industry, that is why MM said die die must make sure SIA is able to compete and cannot let the union politicise everything and strike....that will kill the industry
same for the foreign worker issue now. talk is cheap. close down lor to spite the foreigners ? end up singaporean also no job
just like when we invest in China, we put a few hundred million US$ and we put our singapore managers to jaga the operation -- not that the locals can't do - but the singapore managers take care of my vested interest, not the locals. if they don't agree, we close shop, they get no jobs, we go else where
But currently how many Singaporeans are jobless too :? -
Funz:
Why GY is in Aljunied and not EC whereas LSS moves to EC?
People cheered when WP won Aljunied GRC, the fact that GY will be gone if he lost was talked about from the beginning but people consoled themselves that it's ok, he will be ok.
Why TPL in MP and not AMK?
I do not believe that the MIW doesn't know WP is targeting Aljunied.. they already started working the grounds long before the elections.
And.. MIW is well known to plan far.. nothing really can \"caught them by surprise\".. -
concern2:
Busymom, ok, ok, I get it...you were referring to those who happen to be at the MTPS when the MP is not around..concern2:
[quote=\"Busymom\"]I am talking about grassroot MPs, not the ministers. The other non-minister MPs can hold regular day job in addition to being a MP.
So if they are paid to do the job, wouldn't it be their responsibility to be there most of the time?[/quote]Yes, dearie... 
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verykiasu2010:
This scenario is speculative.If they already have their billion dollars clients, then why do they need to locate to Singapore? Shouldn't the motive be that they need to hire local talents (managers) so that they can get billion dollars clients in this region?
Imagine i am a swiss bank
your government entice me to set up shop in SG and entice me to move my clients' fund to be managed out of SG and to invest in the region. For a start I may transfer 1 billion SFR to SG to manage.
look, I am going to relocate my Swiss managers from Geneva or Zurich to work in Singapore to continue to manage the client relationship while getting them to understand the region and make investment decision for their clients.
SG has no managers / prof equal to the job ? sure have, even cheaper, perhaps even more capable, but for the sake of my clients who have parked billions with my bank, I am not going to risk it. they can play the supporting role, gather market intelligence, do the credit analysis etc. make the investment decision ? No way, even when I know many SG citizens qualify for the job, because my bank's clients don't know them.
If the SG government does not allow my bank to relocate my experienced managers to work in SG, then I won't bring my bank to SG.
the same scenarios play out multiple times -
Busymom:
Our unemployment rate is very low now, can't remember the exact figure but it is 1+%.
ya i think with the opening of MBS & RWS, there were huge job openings & many people were able to hv some pocket $$. -
Busymom:
Our unemployment rate is very low now, can't remember the exact figure but it is 1+%.[/quote]People who become taxi-drivers, insurance agents, real estate agents, self-employed, tuition teachers, etc., are also considered employed, right? (Correct me if I am wrong). But this doesn't mean their income has increased. They have merely found other ways of being employed, so personally, I don't really see that as a good gauge of one's standard of living.Oppsgal:
[quote=\"verykiasu2010\"]if remember correctly, they wanted to operate the berths on their own, take over a number of quay from PSA, and nego on rental but PSA did not want to back down....and JB PTP came with a good offer and off they went. Ended up with lots of retrenchment in singapore, not only port workers, but also all the related supporting industries who used to support Maersk - all lost biz and close shop...... quite many thousand in total lost job, a few times the number of directly affected port workers. gov't had to step in
lesson learnt : don't be penny wise, pound foolish....same for airline industry, that is why MM said die die must make sure SIA is able to compete and cannot let the union politicise everything and strike....that will kill the industry
same for the foreign worker issue now. talk is cheap. close down lor to spite the foreigners ? end up singaporean also no job
just like when we invest in China, we put a few hundred million US$ and we put our singapore managers to jaga the operation -- not that the locals can't do - but the singapore managers take care of my vested interest, not the locals. if they don't agree, we close shop, they get no jobs, we go else where
But currently how many Singaporeans are jobless too :? -
insider:
Correct me if I'm wrong....
There is a quota, quite strict ones if one is not in the service line, and so I am just curious how your HR manages to do this...dunnoleh:
I doubt these are the percentages in many employers' minds. I have not seen one single job being replaced by a local in my company over the last 3 years.
http://www.guidemesingapore.com/relocation/work-pass/singapore-work-permit-schemes
Quota System: There is no quota official system for Employment Pass. (> $2,500)
Quota System: Yes for S Pass (<$1800)... (25% of workforce)
There should be similar info in MOM website...
So a lot of competition from \"cheaper\" Employment Pass holders?
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