Post GE 2011 Discussion
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verykiasu2010:
Aiyoh U with your superb play of words ....
WP = Whichever PartyFunx3:
After this incident, definitely No such Mistake Again, from Whichever Party ....
U just Can't resist it, Right?
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MummyThreeStreams:
Hi mummy3streams,Not everybody in civil service is earning so much lah. Only a handful.
DPM TCH has said civil service pay may need to be reviewed...
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/singaporelocalnews/view/1130707/1/.html I think they will need to be careful with this coz they don't want to lose too many people to the private sector.
I think it's important to settle the principles first, before talking about quantum. It may be that the moral authority for an elected office bearer requires a significant \"discount\" on salaries, but perhaps this may not apply in the same way to the civil service. if so, then it may well be possible for the perm sec to earn more than the political leadership. Imagine how inspiring it would be if the minister can say to his perm sec \" oi, I earn less than you, but I'm working harder!\"
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But more realistically speaking, while I think a full Minister should earn at least the same as his perm sec (and i'm happy for them to earn more than the perm sec), I think the more junior office bearers (parliamentary secretaries, ministers of state) do not need to earn as much. I.e., The entry-level political salaries can be lower than the higher civil service grades.
You make perfect sense!
Still, being an accountant, I get a kick out of plucking numbers.
So I want to give a number and then wait for the \"Toto\" to open and see if I strike (ke..he..he..).
So the current ministerial pay is now SGD1.5 to SGD3m with the President at SGD4m. My very initial gut feel is that it should be a 50% cut and with the recent knowledge of the civil service pay, all the more I think this new (& final) guestimates seems about right (to me at least!).
Hence my new and final guestimate for the revised range for ministers should be between SGD750K to SGD1.5m with President at SGD2m. Again I mean the basic gross annual pay (maybe with or without bonuses I dunnoo).
Compare to the HK Mr Tung, US President and the ANZ/NZ PM and with the current USD/SGD exchange rate of about SGD1.23 per USD, won't loose face already lah! :imanangel:
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ksi:
Consider this.. if you own a shop.. And there is pple walking in and out of the shop buying stuff from you
Is that our secret formula for keeping our government corrupt-free with the high pay packages? Does that mean that the not-so-well paid politicians elsewhere will be tempted to be corrupt because \"Money no enough?\" This is interesting food for thought. What are your views?
case A: There were some theft.. you lost some money.. so you always have to keep an eye on your goods. If they got caught, they'll be jailed and punished severely
Cae B: In order to prevent theft, you put up a sign, allowing them to OPENLY take with permission $100 of stuff from your shop. However, this is no guarantee that some pple is greedy and still steal from you.
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DesertWind:
A condo (entry Level) per Year Down the Drain ....
Hi mummy3streams,
You make perfect sense!
Still, being an accountant, I get a kick out of plucking numbers.
So I want to give a number and then wait for the \"Toto\" to open and see if I strike (ke..he..he..).
So the current ministerial pay is now SGD1.5 to SGD3m with the President at SGD4m. My very initial gut feel is that it should be a 50% cut and with the recent knowledge of the civil service pay, all the more I think this new (& final) guestimates seems about right (to me at least!).
Hence my new and final guestimate for the revised range for ministers should be between SGD750K to SGD1.5m with President at SGD2m. Again I mean the basic gross annual pay (maybe with or without bonuses I dunnoo).
Compare to the HK Mr Tung, US President and the ANZ/NZ PM and with the current USD/SGD exchange rate of about SGD1.23 per USD, won't loose face already lah! :imanangel:
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cimman:
Could not agree with you more.frankly, I really don't care how much the ministers are paid so long as they do a good job. The higher the pay, the higher the standards held to which they are accountable.
With the recent issues on high property prices, high inflation, transport problems, overspending on YOG, it serves to highlight the fact that the ministers are not performing to expectations.
There should be KPIs for ministers and it shouldn't be just the GDP figure. They should form a committee to look into implementing KPIs for ministers. The KPIs should be reviewed annually, and not only during election years when voters voice their discontent through their votes. At least the govt took note of the discontent and retired the unpopular ministers.
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Spring cleaning time for PM Lee 大扫除
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Q1. How much does a Bank Teller earns now? How much cash does she handles one day? How come with this bank teller (whom I assume is earning only about SGD1K per month) counting "endless" money everyday, is expected to be TOP HONEST with no discrepancies at all in her balancing. And we cannot expect a TOP MINISTER to be honest in their handling of the country’s money?
Q2. How much does a maid earns now? SGD400 and people are screaming already. So many of us expect the maid to be HONEST with NO STEALING of either cash, money or handphone. How come with a TOP MINISTER, we must PAY for him to be HONEST?
Q3. The analogy of a beautiful wife to prevent straying is somehow not quite right to me. A better analogy would be to prevent a man from straying, perhaps it is to give him TWO beautiful wifes instead?
Hah…hah…hah… have a good day folks! Login off now! -
Funx3:
Nevermind, he can take 20 years to pay for one!A condo (entry Level) per Year Down the Drain ....
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Whilst political appointees’ pay shd definitely be reviewed n is being reviewed, let’s not get carried away to d extreme.
D justifications consistently given from 1994 were dat:
1.\t Civil service were losing good ppl to private sector. Higher pay in private sector was a major reason.
2.\tPAP finds it hard to recruit good potential office holders coz $ not enuf to attract n retain.
3.\tAct as deterrence to corruption.
D salaries of civil service (top tier) n political appointees r linked. So by protocol, if PM wants to raise his n d Ministers’ pay, d President’s pay has to be raised first. That was wat happened towards d end of d last parliament sitting just before GE 2011. It was not debated, just announced n it was so. Wonder how many ppl missed d announcement hidden in one of d MSM pages.
1.\tI believe to maintain some standards, D political appointees MUST be accorded a decent renumeration package to reflect their office n responsibilities. But it shd not be pegged to d median of d top six or eight earners in SG, d amount has to be tempered by d intangible benefits of public service. If political appointees aspire to be in office only for monetary gain n fame, then their hearts r in d wrong place n they should be rejected at d ballot box.
2.\tD President’s pay shd be de-link with Ministers’ pay n be paid an amount commensurate with his office n responsibilities. Work-wise, he is definitely many notches below d Cabinet n his pay shd reflect dat, not purely by protocol.
3.\tLikewise, civil service pay shd be de-link from political appointees’ pay. Dis shd only affect d top tier in civil service. It’s a job like any other. They also hv families to look after. A good man with many years of experience in d civil service could be paid more than a political appointee who may come n go after every election, why not? You want to retain these ppl to keep d bureaucracy running smoothing n effectively no matter who d political appointee is. -
DesertWind:
Oh Must Experience Common Ppl Pain, than Can Really Speak for the Ppl, right?
Nevermind, he can take 20 years to pay for one!Funx3:
A condo (entry Level) per Year Down the Drain ....
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