Is it easier to go University via the Polytechnic Route?
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With all the crazy advertising from MOE, many A level holders are gunning for NIE. haha anyway, it is the same for poly grads.
Those with 3.4-3.5 GPA has few courses to choose from and the module exemption is only applicable for poly students studying the same course (i.e. Business grad studying business etc). I heard from my friend who is doing Biomedical engineer that to get into local uni he needs 3.79 GPA minimally to stand a chance. Business around 3.85.
No doubt however, it has been much easier for the polytechnic students to go to Universities compared to the past. -
meinteel:
With all the crazy advertising from MOE, many A level holders are gunning for NIE. haha anyway, it is the same for poly grads.
Those with 3.4-3.5 GPA has few courses to choose from and the module exemption is only applicable for poly students studying the same course (i.e. Business grad studying business etc). I heard from my friend who is doing Biomedical engineer that to get into local uni he needs 3.79 GPA minimally to stand a chance. Business around 3.85.
No doubt however, it has been much easier for the polytechnic students to go to Universities compared to the past.
An informed posting.
Outside law, medicine and dentistry, next in line popular courses include: accountancy, business, pharmacy, aerospace engineering, chemical engineering. Indicative A-level grade profile AAA/B.
For NIE, many have passion for teaching while there are also others bo bian can't make it to other courses.
Ultimately, reality sinks in. -
That is true, this is why many teachers quit as within 5 years of their career. Some even break bonds.
So many people ask MOE to reduce class size, thinking MOE wants to save money. Many don’t get it that MOE just can’t hire enough teachers in the first place. -
meinteel:
Another informed posting from you. Only those well-versed with our education system will know the difficult position MOE is in.That is true, this is why many teachers quit as within 5 years of their career. Some even break bonds.
So many people ask MOE to reduce class size, thinking MOE wants to save money. Many don't get it that MOE just can't hire enough teachers in the first place. -
Haha you should be quite familiar with our education system too, isn’t it? ^^
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meinteel:
Haha you should be quite familiar with our education system too, isn't it? ^^
Me only trying to provide info and unbaised view here to balance a one-sided view whenever is necessary. It depends on readers to form their own impression. Whether they like or dislike is totally not important to me. Just treat it as a community service.
Congrats on your good work! It's a testimony in particular for students in neighbourhood schools. -
meinteel:
There are several reasons besides the issue of patience in teaching.That is true, this is why many teachers quit as within 5 years of their career. Some even break bonds.
So many people ask MOE to reduce class size, thinking MOE wants to save money. Many don't get it that MOE just can't hire enough teachers in the first place.
1. Teachers has good starting pay, but very low increment comparing to many other industries. For exmple, many of my friends doing engineering-related job had a starting pay of around 2.7K~3K only 3 years ago. Now their salary are mainly in the range of 4.3K~5K or even more and are expecting to hit 7 to 8K in another 5 years time. In contrast, a teacher may have a starting salary of 3.2K, but in 3 years his salary will be still less than 4K, and most likely, it takes more than ten years to hit 6K.
2. Teachers are doing too much work besides teaching, especially adminstrative work, this is very different from the past. Many teachers need to work for 12 to 14 hours everyday. A lots of my secondary school and junior college have quited from teaching all because of the same reason - now teaching job is too time-consuming and complicated so that they have no time to spend with their family members. In the past(10 years ago), they only need to work for 8 to 9 hours per day. In addition, they were all very good teachers from top schools.
MOE now is recruting teachers like crazy not because there are not enough teachers but because lots of teachers are quiting every month. MOE really need to investigate into the situation seriously. There is really no point to recruite 1000 teachers every year and in the end 800 of them quit. -
Haha I agree…actually they should leave CCAs, school newsletter etc to clerks. Principals also should not encourage teachers to have remedial and supplementary lessons, in fact they should discourage it.
Those itself would relief much stress from the teachers. I was told also that most teachers are busy typing reports that would be submitted to HODs, Principals and the Ministry over, well every single thing that happens. -
Edureach:
cut-off grades:meinteel:
With all the crazy advertising from MOE, many A level holders are gunning for NIE. haha anyway, it is the same for poly grads.
Those with 3.4-3.5 GPA has few courses to choose from and the module exemption is only applicable for poly students studying the same course (i.e. Business grad studying business etc). I heard from my friend who is doing Biomedical engineer that to get into local uni he needs 3.79 GPA minimally to stand a chance. Business around 3.85.
No doubt however, it has been much easier for the polytechnic students to go to Universities compared to the past.
An informed posting.
Outside law, medicine and dentistry, next in line popular courses include: accountancy, business, pharmacy, aerospace engineering, chemical engineering. Indicative A-level grade profile AAA/B.
For NIE, many have passion for teaching while there are also others bo bian can't make it to other courses.
Ultimately, reality sinks in.
AAA/A NUS Dentistry 44
AAA/A NUS Materials Science & Engineering 50
AAA/A NUS Environment Engineering 58
AAA/A NUS Industry & Systems Engineering 67
AAA/A NUS Law 231
AAA/A NUS Medicine 260
AAA/A NUS Chemical Engineering 295
AAA/B NUS Pharmacy 132
AAA/B NUS Business Admin (Accountancy) 133
AAA/B SMU Laws 125
AAA/B NTU Aerospace Engineering 87
AAB/A NTU Maritime Studies with Business Major 16
AAB/B NUS Business Admin 457
AAB/B NTU Accountancy 574
AAB/B NTU Business 503
ABB/A NUS Bioengineering 64
ABB/A SMU Accountancy 270
ABB/A NTU Chemical & Biomolecular Engineering 162
ABB/B SMU Business Management 677
ABB/B NTU Environmental Engineering 78
ABB/B NTU Maritime Studies 49
ABB/B NTU Mathematics & Economics 117
ABB/B NTU Economics 78
BBB/A NUS Engineering Science 46
BBB/A NUS Engineering 131
BBB/A NUS Mechanical Engineering 315
BBB/B NUS Science 1,100
BBB/B SMU Science (Economics) 205
BBB/B NTU Mathematical Sciences 141
BBB/B NTU Psychology 77
BBB/C NUS Computer Engineering (FoE) 73
BBB/C NUS Electrical Engineering 293
BBB/C NTU Information Engineering & Media 61
BBB/C NTU Chemistry & Biological Chemistry 285
BBB/C NTU Communication Studies 169
BBC/B NUS Real Estate 144
BBC/B SMU Social Sciences 130
BBC/B NTU Bioengineering 68
BBC/C NUS Civil Engineering 81
BBC/C NUS Project & Facilities Management 137
BBC/C NUS Arts & Social Sciences 1,613
BBC/C NTU Biological Sciences 340
BCC/B NUS Computing 301
BCC/B SMU Science (Information Systems Management) 255
BCC/B NTU Materials Engineering 231
BCC/B NTU Sociology 63
BCC/C NUS Computer Engineering (SoC) 77
BCC/C NUS Architecture 171
BCC/C NTU Computer Engineering 170
BCC/C NTU Computer Science 198
BCC/C NTU Electrical & Electronic Engineering 689
BCC/C NTU Mechanical Engineering 488
BCC/C NTU Linguistics & Multilingual Studies 52
CCC/B NUS Industrial Design 34
CCC/B NTU Physics & Applied Physics 65
CCC/C NTU Civil Engineering 106
CCC/C NTU Chinese 106
CCC/C NTU English 100
CCC/C NIE Arts (Education) 205
CCC/C NIE Science (Education) 170
CCC/D NTU Engineering 137
CDD/C NUS Nursing 75
DDD/D NTU Art, Design & Media 152
Take Chemical Engineering as a example, I don't think a student who cannot score a ABB/A in A-Level can get a GPA of 3.79/4 in poly. Similarly, AAB/B is also easier to obtain comparing to a GPA of 3.85/4 in poly. Even for the lower end, if a student wants to do mechanical engineering, it is also easier to score a BCC/C than to score a GPA of 3.5 in poly.
The average starting salary of local U graduates is 2900+ while the average starting salary of local Poly graduates is still below 2000. For an average student, when he has two alternatives after O
- JC, probably score a BBB/B in his A, choose a course in local U which may not be his favourite. However, for many cases, interest can be rebuild in 4 years, especially for young adults.
- Poly, probably score a GPA of 3.2 and start to work upon graduation.
Perhaps choosing the poly route makes the student feel happier in the 3 years of study, but the reality is, an approximate difference of 1000 dollar monthly is a lot as a starting pay. Poly graduates are doing lower-tier work comparing to degree holders in the same organisation. Qualification also plays a very important role in the development of one's career path. That is the trade-off of enjoying 3 years of poly life. -
FrekiWang:
cut-off grades:Edureach:
[quote=\"meinteel\"]With all the crazy advertising from MOE, many A level holders are gunning for NIE. haha anyway, it is the same for poly grads.
Those with 3.4-3.5 GPA has few courses to choose from and the module exemption is only applicable for poly students studying the same course (i.e. Business grad studying business etc). I heard from my friend who is doing Biomedical engineer that to get into local uni he needs 3.79 GPA minimally to stand a chance. Business around 3.85.
No doubt however, it has been much easier for the polytechnic students to go to Universities compared to the past.
An informed posting.
Outside law, medicine and dentistry, next in line popular courses include: accountancy, business, pharmacy, aerospace engineering, chemical engineering. Indicative A-level grade profile AAA/B.
For NIE, many have passion for teaching while there are also others bo bian can't make it to other courses.
Ultimately, reality sinks in.
AAA/A NUS Dentistry 44
AAA/A NUS Materials Science & Engineering 50
AAA/A NUS Environment Engineering 58
AAA/A NUS Industry & Systems Engineering 67
AAA/A NUS Law 231
AAA/A NUS Medicine 260
AAA/A NUS Chemical Engineering 295
AAA/B NUS Pharmacy 132
AAA/B NUS Business Admin (Accountancy) 133
AAA/B SMU Laws 125
AAA/B NTU Aerospace Engineering 87
AAB/A NTU Maritime Studies with Business Major 16
AAB/B NUS Business Admin 457
AAB/B NTU Accountancy 574
AAB/B NTU Business 503
ABB/A NUS Bioengineering 64
ABB/A SMU Accountancy 270
ABB/A NTU Chemical & Biomolecular Engineering 162
ABB/B SMU Business Management 677
ABB/B NTU Environmental Engineering 78
ABB/B NTU Maritime Studies 49
ABB/B NTU Mathematics & Economics 117
ABB/B NTU Economics 78
BBB/A NUS Engineering Science 46
BBB/A NUS Engineering 131
BBB/A NUS Mechanical Engineering 315
BBB/B NUS Science 1,100
BBB/B SMU Science (Economics) 205
BBB/B NTU Mathematical Sciences 141
BBB/B NTU Psychology 77
BBB/C NUS Computer Engineering (FoE) 73
BBB/C NUS Electrical Engineering 293
BBB/C NTU Information Engineering & Media 61
BBB/C NTU Chemistry & Biological Chemistry 285
BBB/C NTU Communication Studies 169
BBC/B NUS Real Estate 144
BBC/B SMU Social Sciences 130
BBC/B NTU Bioengineering 68
BBC/C NUS Civil Engineering 81
BBC/C NUS Project & Facilities Management 137
BBC/C NUS Arts & Social Sciences 1,613
BBC/C NTU Biological Sciences 340
BCC/B NUS Computing 301
BCC/B SMU Science (Information Systems Management) 255
BCC/B NTU Materials Engineering 231
BCC/B NTU Sociology 63
BCC/C NUS Computer Engineering (SoC) 77
BCC/C NUS Architecture 171
BCC/C NTU Computer Engineering 170
BCC/C NTU Computer Science 198
BCC/C NTU Electrical & Electronic Engineering 689
BCC/C NTU Mechanical Engineering 488
BCC/C NTU Linguistics & Multilingual Studies 52
CCC/B NUS Industrial Design 34
CCC/B NTU Physics & Applied Physics 65
CCC/C NTU Civil Engineering 106
CCC/C NTU Chinese 106
CCC/C NTU English 100
CCC/C NIE Arts (Education) 205
CCC/C NIE Science (Education) 170
CCC/D NTU Engineering 137
CDD/C NUS Nursing 75
DDD/D NTU Art, Design & Media 152
Take Chemical Engineering as a example, I don't think a student who cannot score a ABB/A in A-Level can get a GPA of 3.79/4 in poly. Similarly, AAB/B is also easier to obtain comparing to a GPA of 3.85/4 in poly. Even for the lower end, if a student wants to do mechanical engineering, it is also easier to score a BCC/C than to score a GPA of 3.5 in poly.
The average starting salary of local U graduates is 2900+ while the average starting salary of local Poly graduates is still below 2000. For an average student, when he has two alternatives after O
- JC, probably score a BBB/B in his A, choose a course in local U which may not be his favourite. However, for many cases, interest can be rebuild in 4 years, especially for young adults.
- Poly, probably score a GPA of 3.2 and start to work upon graduation.
Perhaps choosing the poly route makes the student feel happier in the 3 years of study, but the reality is, an approximate difference of 1000 dollar monthly is a lot as a starting pay. Poly graduates are doing lower-tier work comparing to degree holders in the same organisation. Qualification also plays a very important role in the development of one's career path. That is the trade-off of enjoying 3 years of poly life.[/quote]
I am thankful for your view especially coming from a jc lecturer. Just to add, a wise student who did not fare as well in 0-level, the alternative choice is to report to RP instead of NP,SP,NYP or TP. Chances of entering uni thru this move is higher.
Think you know what i meant.
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