2011 Request for Advice on Selecting Secondary Schools
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DadOfGirl:
If COP is used as criteria, you also have to look at no of affliated & non- afflliated students each school takes & calculate average PSLE score of typical students entering each school. Ofcourse these data is not available, but if you use these method, Order will be Cedar & Crescent then followed by MGS & SCGS. Both MGS , St. nick & SCGS takes students from respective primary at score of 220 , 213 & 200 respectively.jtoh:
[quote=\"phtthp\"]for girls - seems like after NYGS and RGSS, the next top school is St Nick, followed by CGS, then SCGS, MGS and Cedar in this order ?
I don't think it's possible to list the top girls schools in a definite order because what criteria should we use
Based on 2010 COPs, we can say the order is SCGS, MGS, SNGS, Cedar and lastly Crescent.
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You also have to factor-in \"Independent' schools as their Fee is $250 per month against \"autonomous' which charge $13 month.[/quote]Yes, obviously you have to look at affiliated COPs. Which led me to my next point in my original post that schools which offer better value-add are better schools. Schools which take in students at 200, 220 etc who still manage to do well at O levels are the better schools in my book. Strong students in, Strong results out is not as valuable as Average students in, Good results out. -
MGS and SCGS are really good schools with long history, all rounded curriculum and condusive learning environment. Many parents are concern whether their girls are able to integrate into the "elite" background if join in Sec 1, a valid concern, but the fact is many girls also come from ordinary families from P1. The high school fees also mean that the schools are better equipped in terms of facilities, teaching staff, etc.
SCGS has raised its affiliation cut-off point to 220 for 2011. Not sure about MGS though. These schools are strong academically and emphasize character building, community projects etc which contribute to an all rounded education. Music, arts, dance annd sports are fully integtared and valued.
Crescent girls is good in its own right and have made progess. But these are clearly two different categories of schools. -
shaber:
Raising Cut-off point should continue as these schools are awarded to run IP program. It will have to scrap affliation completely by the time entire Cohort of Sec 1 batch goes directly to A-level.MGS and SCGS are really good schools with long history, all rounded curriculum and condusive learning environment. Many parents are concern whether their girls are able to integrate into the \"elite\" background if join in Sec 1, a valid concern, but the fact is many girls also come from ordinary families from P1. The high school fees also mean that the schools are better equipped in terms of facilities, teaching staff, etc.
SCGS has raised its affiliation cut-off point to 220 for 2011. Not sure about MGS though. These schools are strong academically and emphasize character building, community projects etc which contribute to an all rounded education. Music, arts, dance annd sports are fully integtared and valued.
Crescent girls is good in its own right and have made progess. But these are clearly two different categories of schools.
You cannot offer through-train(A-level) to students with less than 250 PSLE score simply because they come from affliation school. -
DadOfGirl:
Both SCGS and MGS are offering dual track - meaning they offer both O levels and IP thru train to A levels. Only the top 2-3 classes in each school will be in the IP programme. The remaining students will take O levels. In MGS, the classes offered IP will likely be the Sophia Blackmore classes and in SCGS, the top 2 classes are those whose scores are >250.Raising Cut-off point should continue as these schools are awarded to run IP program. It will have to scrap affliation completely by the time entire Cohort of Sec 1 batch goes directly to A-level.
You cannot offer through-train(A-level) to students with less than 250 PSLE score simply because they come from affliation school. -
Just to add on, SCGS and MGS will never scrap affiliation with their primary schools. They may raise the COPs for affiliated students, as they have already, but completely scrapping will never happen. The alumni and boards will not allow it to happen.
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jtoh:
Just to add on, SCGS and MGS will never scrap affiliation with their primary schools. They may raise the COPs for affiliated students, as they have already, but completely scrapping will never happen. The alumni and boards will not allow it to happen.
It is really disheartening to see Affliations in 'Meritocracy' society. You are either a school supported by Govt -aids or a Private school which runs by boards/charges the market rates.
These schools are aided by Govt thro' Tax-payers money & still runs by Boards with 'Elitist' mentality. Effectively schools are using Tax payer's money & denying the same person's child the equal right to enter the school
If they were to operate like 'International school' , their fees will double from current levels.
Affliations at JC should end too :roll: -
DadOfGirl:
What if they argue that they are actually full schools and students start at primary 1 till sec 4? The COP they set for their P6 students are really just promotion criteria. And the additional intake after psle from other schools are service to the public.jtoh:
Just to add on, SCGS and MGS will never scrap affiliation with their primary schools. They may raise the COPs for affiliated students, as they have already, but completely scrapping will never happen. The alumni and boards will not allow it to happen.
It is really disheartening to see Affliations in 'Meritocracy' society. You are either a school supported by Govt -aids or a Private school which runs by boards/charges the market rates.
These schools are aided by Govt thro' Tax-payers money & still runs by Boards with 'Elitist' mentality. Effectively schools are using Tax payer's money & denying the same person's child the equal right to enter the school
If they were to operate like 'International school' , their fees will double from current levels.
Affliations at JC should end too :roll: -
WeiHan:
What if they argue that they are actually full schools and students start at primary 1 till sec 4? The COP they set for their P6 students are really just promotion criteria. And the additional intake after psle from other schools are service to the public.[/quote]Then they pay rent for campus as any other international schools pays. Essentially, they should refuse to use any form of subsidy... Teacher's pay from MOE included & many more.DadOfGirl:
[quote=\"jtoh\"]Just to add on, SCGS and MGS will never scrap affiliation with their primary schools. They may raise the COPs for affiliated students, as they have already, but completely scrapping will never happen. The alumni and boards will not allow it to happen.
It is really disheartening to see Affliations in 'Meritocracy' society. You are either a school supported by Govt -aids or a Private school which runs by boards/charges the market rates.
These schools are aided by Govt thro' Tax-payers money & still runs by Boards with 'Elitist' mentality. Effectively schools are using Tax payer's money & denying the same person's child the equal right to enter the school
If they were to operate like 'International school' , their fees will double from current levels.
Affliations at JC should end too :roll:
Tax-payer's money could be put to use for neighbourhood schools & these instiutions could become Private schools. -
Rather than preventing schools like SCGS from being full schools, the government may consider making some neighbourhood schools full schools. Full schools operate from the perspective that the child will be with them for ten years and are more successful in developing their students holistically. These students tend to be more confident and possess a greater sense of rootedness to the school community and. Some kids are just not ready for PSLE and full schools allow them greater leeway with lower COP. I do not think that forcing the children through the stressful, high-stakes exams at the age of 12 is very productive. I am teaching a class of primary 6 students for Sunday school ( most are from neigbourhood schools) and I can really emphathise with them as they relate to me how busy and stressed they are because the PSLE determines their future.
However, there is a trade-off in having more full schools. These schools run counter from the principle of meritocracy. PSLE serves to sort out the children on the basis on exam results and gives the children from neighbourhood schools a chance to move up the ladder to go to the elite schools. -
contact12:
I agree.Rather than preventing schools like SCGS from being full schools, the government may consider making some neighbourhood schools full schools. Full schools operate from the perspective that the child will be with them for ten years and are more successful in developing their students holistically. These students tend to be more confident and possess a greater sense of rootedness to the school community and. Some kids are just not ready for PSLE and full schools allow them greater leeway with lower COP. I do not think that forcing the children through the stressful, high-stakes exams at the age of 12 is very productive. I am teaching a class of primary 6 students for Sunday school ( most are from neigbourhood schools) and I can really emphathise with them as they relate to me how busy and stressed they are because the PSLE determines their future.
However, there is a trade-off in having more full schools. These schools run counter from the principle of meritocracy. PSLE serves to sort out the children on the basis on exam results and gives the children from neighbourhood schools a chance to move up the ladder to go to the elite schools.
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