Foreign Workers

[Kissgurami]

limlim:

I cannot relate to your examples of well paying jobs but no local takers.

It's meaningless to go on further..

There are 2 situations on-going and each of us have a tale to tell :imanangel:

not to agitate you :please: but a few things

- Resume , know for a fact over-sell is also a over kill
- Presentation Skills and Chemistry , seriously I have seen FT, they do excel in this areas (whether they are actually awesome on Job is a different thing), the main thing is to cross the interview hurdle no?

[KSP]

verykiasu2010:

KSP:

[quote=\"verykiasu2010\"]
the highest position starts with letter 'R', get it ?

Regional ...... ?

R = Re-tired....[/quote] :faint: :faint: :faint:

i have colleagues retired for 2 reasons

1. reach the age of 62
2. achieve financial freedom and have enough to last till old age (at the age of mid 30s)

i supposed u belong to cat2..... :celebrate:

[verykiasu2010]

I belong to Open Cat

[limlim]

Kissgurami:

There are 2 situations on-going and each of us have a tale to tell :imanangel:

not to agitate you :please: but a few things

- Resume , know for a fact over-sell is also a over kill
- Presentation Skills and Chemistry , seriously I have seen FT, they do excel in this areas (whether they are actually awesome on Job is a different thing), the main thing is to cross the interview hurdle no?

Resume I guess is no problem, because I have got other offers..

I'm just puzzled why these companies in Jurong/Woodlands never call me.. Aren't they facing shortage of workers?

And, got to agree with you, most FTs are really good at selling themselves..

Whether they're good on the job is different story..

[Kissgurami]

verykiasu2010:

may be our HR and placement agents were all useless .... but they show me all the application letters : 1 to 10, citizen vs foreigners

:rotflmao: that's our thoughts internally as well accompanied with the uncouth \"3 letter words\" :imanangel:

[limlim]

verykiasu2010:

I was in Jurong for more than 10 years, Singaporean MNC, global operation of more than 15,000 workers, 8 countries. I ran the finance dept, I was willing to pay up to S$15k per month plus housing plus car to place an FC in China - no taker from Singaporeans - after 6 months, got a Malaysian for the same position for half the price, need only housing don't need car on location. Recruiting for finance managers in Singapore operations - $6k to $8k, stock options, car allowances, 5 day week, corporate benefits like holiday villa (company owned), family medical insurance, dental etc etc -- no takers because we are in Jurong. Malaysians came and took the job, $4k only...but we also give the same benefits because corporate policy is all singapore-based employees have same benefits -- no discrimination

may be our HR and placement agents were all useless .... but they show me all the application letters : 1 to 10, citizen vs foreigners

Finance position ar..?

If it is engineering position I would applied immediately......

Mebbe singaporean bankers, or those in finance had it too easy already..

If it is engineering post.. with such offer.. probably snapped up in a blink..

Anyway, we're talking abt different industries.. so.. let's not debate further.. perhaps for your case, it is indeed better to get foreigner.

[verykiasu2010]

limlim:

verykiasu2010:

I was in Jurong for more than 10 years, Singaporean MNC, global operation of more than 15,000 workers, 8 countries. I ran the finance dept, I was willing to pay up to S$15k per month plus housing plus car to place an FC in China - no taker from Singaporeans - after 6 months, got a Malaysian for the same position for half the price, need only housing don't need car on location. Recruiting for finance managers in Singapore operations - $6k to $8k, stock options, car allowances, 5 day week, corporate benefits like holiday villa (company owned), family medical insurance, dental etc etc -- no takers because we are in Jurong. Malaysians came and took the job, $4k only...but we also give the same benefits because corporate policy is all singapore-based employees have same benefits -- no discrimination

may be our HR and placement agents were all useless .... but they show me all the application letters : 1 to 10, citizen vs foreigners

Finance position ar..?

If it is engineering position I would applied immediately......

Mebbe singaporean bankers, or those in finance had it too easy already..

If it is engineering post.. with such offer.. probably snapped up in a blink..

Anyway, we're talking abt different industries.. so.. let's not debate further.. perhaps for your case, it is indeed better to get foreigner.

we agree to disagree

as for engineering people in the sector we were in, we had to provide scholarships to secure the people we need

I ran the finance, but we are engineering and manufacturing

[Funz]

limlim:

Funz:

I agree. Singapore employees have to bear some responsibility for this so called 'hiring of foreigners trend'. Though I will say that it has been blown out of proportion. Jialat gonna get hantam for saying that.

Ok, wrote too much oredi. Gonna kenna .

It's easy to just give a vague account of how difficult it is to employ locals..

Why don't you state what are the job scope, working hours and the salary that you're paying to allow viewers to better judge the situation?

Let the facts speak for itself.

There are companies offering $900/mth for 10hrs working hours in some ulu places and complaining that they cannot find local workers. How you expect locals to survive on $900/mth?

Is locals asking for too much?

I am referring to S pass. S pass require a minimum of $2000 as starting salary. Talking about 9hrs x 5 work day with all the annual leaves, performance bonuses, AWL, etc. My operations are not located in ulu places, they are all near MRTs. Those that are a bit more ulu as in not within walking distance from MRT, we provide transport allowance. Even then we are not talking about Jurong island, just some private estates.

I throw back the same comments to you. Easy to make vague accounts about how employers choose foreigners over locals. Why don't you state what are the job scope, working hours and the salary that these companies are not paying the locals but hiring the foreigners. Let the facts speak for itself too.

Are some locals asking too much or being too picky.

There is always 2 sides to a coin. For every anecdote that one can come up for one story, there will be others who will be able to tell another opposing story.

I am not saying that there aren't people who are truly experiencing difficulties finding placement due to competition from foreigners, I wondering is the so called 'favouring' of foreigners as employees truly so prevalent that the majority of locals' lifelihood is threatened? Or is it a sentiment and resentment as the pickings for the locals are now leaner since there is competition for them from these foreigners?

It is easy to always point our fingers at external sources for our woes but I think we should bear some responsibility as well.

[limlim]

Funz:

I throw back the same comments to you. Easy to make vague accounts about how employers choose foreigners over locals. Why don't you state what are the job scope, working hours and the salary that these companies are not paying the locals but hiring the foreigners. Let the facts speak for itself too.

Please refer to the below case since you asked for examples.. All the details are there.

The employer is requesting for more foreign workers bcoz he cannot get locals. And he is paying below market rate.

http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/showpost.php?p=57633304&postcount=1

http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/showpost.php?p=57633768&postcount=15

[limlim]

verykiasu2010:

we agree to disagree

as for engineering people in the sector we were in, we had to provide scholarships to secure the people we need

I ran the finance, but we are engineering and manufacturing

What's the pay package for engineers in your company? such that you can't get local workers..