Foreign Workers
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limlim:
S$5k to $8k x min 15months, new grad start with $3k+ but there is zero suitability and need to send them for training .... B Eng need to go for training and learn some high tech (S$2m) machine is too lowly for our proud NUS / NTU engrg grad, because must learn from senior tech who is non-grad
What's the pay package for engineers in your company? such that you can't get local workers..verykiasu2010:
we agree to disagree
as for engineering people in the sector we were in, we had to provide scholarships to secure the people we need
I ran the finance, but we are engineering and manufacturing -
limlim:
stay status quo as in 10 years ago ? singapore will be devoid of any manufacturing biz by now, financial services will have no biz to service as the MNCs move out...the EDB people call it \"hollowing out\" of the SG economy - I was in their meetings...it was crisis mode because people like Dell, Sony, Seagate etc etc are telling our people -- match our cost target or say good buy. You wonder why your notebook pc / plasma TV is so cheap compared with 10 years ago ?10 years ago, when there is not so many foreign workers, was there high unemployment?
I don't believe that the local economy cannot be sustained and there will be high unemployment if there is no flooding of foreign workers.
Of coz, the GDP grow will not be as stellar..
But it doesn't mean Sg cannot survive..
we live in a global economy, we are price taker, period -
verykiasu2010:
So is SG meeting their cost target?
stay status quo as in 10 years ago ? singapore will be devoid of any manufacturing biz by now, financial services will have no biz to service as the MNCs move out...the EDB people call it \"hollowing out\" of the SG economy - I was in their meetings...it was crisis mode because people like Dell, Sony, Seagate etc etc are telling our people -- match our cost target or say good buy. You wonder why your notebook pc / plasma TV is so cheap compared with 10 years ago ?
we live in a global economy, we are price taker, period
Maybe we tried... So some of these COs r still in SG
Maybe we tried n fail... Cos' some of these COs r goodbye... Or going to say goodbye...
If we cannot match China's production cost... The next best thing is the bring their labour cost into SG? Seems like the case.
For other fields... Why we don't see that many FTs from other 1st world country? Your guess is as good as mine. $$$$$$
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verykiasu2010:
sounds really good leh.. your company still recruiting or not?
S$5k to $8k x min 15months, new grad start with $3k+ but there is zero suitability and need to send them for training .... B Eng need to go for training and learn some high tech (S$2m) machine is too lowly for our proud NUS / NTU engrg grad, because must learn from senior tech who is non-grad
Any links? offshore rig I also go.. -
verykiasu2010:
Yes yes.. thats why I was never against the foreign labor policy for \"worker\" level, like operators etc.. which attribute to \"direct cost\"..
stay status quo as in 10 years ago ? singapore will be devoid of any manufacturing biz by now, financial services will have no biz to service as the MNCs move out...the EDB people call it \"hollowing out\" of the SG economy - I was in their meetings...it was crisis mode because people like Dell, Sony, Seagate etc etc are telling our people -- match our cost target or say good buy. You wonder why your notebook pc / plasma TV is so cheap compared with 10 years ago ?
we live in a global economy, we are price taker, period
But for Engineer/technicians/supervisors etc which are indirect costs, it isn't going to be much different right.. -
Daddy
for a short while SG was meeting their cost target but not for long....last time a rear projection tv cost more than $10k, now a plasma is only $2k or less...even Foxconn is moving away from Shenzhen, Canon is moving into Vietnam...
So is SG meeting their cost target?verykiasu2010:
stay status quo as in 10 years ago ? singapore will be devoid of any manufacturing biz by now, financial services will have no biz to service as the MNCs move out...the EDB people call it \"hollowing out\" of the SG economy - I was in their meetings...it was crisis mode because people like Dell, Sony, Seagate etc etc are telling our people -- match our cost target or say good buy. You wonder why your notebook pc / plasma TV is so cheap compared with 10 years ago ?
we live in a global economy, we are price taker, period
Maybe we tried... So some of these COs r still in SG
Maybe we tried n fail... Cos' some of these COs r goodbye... Or going to say goodbye...
If we cannot match China's production cost... The next best thing is the bring their labour cost into SG? Seems like the case.
For other fields... Why we don't see that many FTs from other 1st world country? Your guess is as good as mine. $$$$$$
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it is over generalisation to say that we bring China cost into singapore. by and large the main bulk of foreign workers are found in areas that singaporeans shun....enuf said
many of these mnc retain SG as regional HQ...and some of the Singaporeans working in the SG offices have to report to bosses in China .... so difficult for them to accept due to perceived loss of face....singaporeanbig boss reporting prc regional boss who are prc citizen..... -
limlim:
I re-tired liao lah !
sounds really good leh.. your company still recruiting or not?verykiasu2010:
S$5k to $8k x min 15months, new grad start with $3k+ but there is zero suitability and need to send them for training .... B Eng need to go for training and learn some high tech (S$2m) machine is too lowly for our proud NUS / NTU engrg grad, because must learn from senior tech who is non-grad
Any links? offshore rig I also go.. -
verykiasu2010:
I re-tired liao lah ![/quote]vks2010....I thought you have always been travelling for business? (remember the red moon?) :?
sounds really good leh.. your company still recruiting or not?limlim:
[quote=\"verykiasu2010\"]
S$5k to $8k x min 15months, new grad start with $3k+ but there is zero suitability and need to send them for training .... B Eng need to go for training and learn some high tech (S$2m) machine is too lowly for our proud NUS / NTU engrg grad, because must learn from senior tech who is non-grad
Any links? offshore rig I also go.. -
ksi:
I am still travelling for business, I am also re-tired, my children are my bosses
vks2010....I thought you have always been travelling for business? (remember the red moon?) :? -
verykiasu2010:
like I said earlier, this is not a managerial post, non-grad requirement[/quote]The questions to ask here are:
Too little details to make a fair judgement. Are you looking for $6k/mth grade employees but only willing to pay $4k/mth that's why all those who is willing to accept $4k/mth got rejected?limlim:
[quote=\"verykiasu2010\"]
many this kind of examples lah
- what are the years of experience required?
- even non-grad, at least a diploma in accounting, right?
- what is the market rate for people of the same credentials based on the above? Are they getting more than $4k or less than $4k?
If they are getting more than $4k, then clearly no takers from locals and therefore 1 local vs 10 foreigners in the job application. In this case, it's the HR that has failed.
Just suggesting this as a possibility. Don't
me.
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