CMA Math - Discussion

[Busymom]

abacus_trainer:

There is 2 different scheme for different CMA branches, depending on the location.

Now you have lost me. What you mean by 2 different scheme for different CMA branches? Do you mean different CMA branches use different methods or abacus or what? :? :?

[abacus_trainer]

Busymom:

Now you have lost me. What you mean by 2 different scheme for different CMA branches? Do you mean different CMA branches use different methods or abacus or what? :? :?

sori.. sori.. i mean 2 different scheme for fees, depends on location. Scheme A cheaper, scheme B more ex.

[radiantmum]

Hi abacus_trainer,


My kid had been learning 2G abacus (one hand) in CC for approx 6 months. He can add or subtract reasonably ok for a 6-year old but recently I noticed that it is not due to the abacus training ie he is not adding/subtracting per the taught abacus method. I am not sure if my expectation is correct. As a parent, how do I know that the general abacus course has been taught well and useful or ie when can I expect to see results like calculating total groceries' bills faster than me? PS: I am not keen to advance him to \"duan wei shu\" level - just good enough for daily mental tasks such as checking my grocery bills :lol:

How long do you reckon it'll take if I swop him to 2 hands abacus (in general)?

THANKS IN ADVANCE

[abacus_trainer]

radiantmum:

Hi abacus_trainer,


My kid had been learning 2G abacus (one hand) in CC for approx 6 months. He can add or subtract reasonably ok for a 6-year old but recently I noticed that it is not due to the abacus training ie he is not adding/subtracting per the taught abacus method. I am not sure if my expectation is correct. As a parent, how do I know that the general abacus course has been taught well and useful or ie when can I expect to see results like calculating total groceries' bills faster than me? PS: I am not keen to advance him to \"duan wei shu\" level - just good enough for daily mental tasks such as checking my grocery bills :lol:

How long do you reckon it'll take if I swop him to 2 hands abacus (in general)?

Has he finish learning all the formula? If he has not, then he may not be able to add or subtract certain numbers. As for how to know whether the class is taught well, it's a tough question. :idea:

I have some students transferred from CC. The few general complaints are..
1. Class size too big, 1 teacher to 25 students, students at the back are noisy and making alot of noise, teacher unable to control the class.
2. Teacher takes no interest in helping the weaker students. The mum told me she don't even mind teaching the child herself but the teacher is impatient and can't be bothered to spend time to analyze with her what problem the child has.
3. Progress too fast, dump the child alot of new things to learn every lesson. The child can't catch up.
4. The child learn for 1 year but only learn abacus and did not learn mental calculation.

Assuming your child is already familar with the abacus and formula, it doesn't take very long to swop him to 2 hands. He just need to go through all the formula he has learned before and practice them with 2 hands.

[abacus_trainer]

Just to clarify… I don’t mean all abacus classes at CC are no good. There are good teachers around. Parents need to talk to the teachers first before signing up. Understand the class size, teacher’s qualification, take a look at the books or materials, how the class is conducted, etc… etc… Although learning at CC is cheaper, it still requires your child to put in time and effort to learn. And also parent’s time fetching their kids around.

[swansea]

Hi abacus_trainer, how is CMA program different from CC ones ?


Would it be too late for P1 kid to go ?

What is the branch that is nearest to Punggol ?

What are opening hours ?

Sorry for asking so much question one shot.

[radiantmum]

abacus_trainer:

Just to clarify.. I don't mean all abacus classes at CC are no good. There are good teachers around. Parents need to talk to the teachers first before signing up. Understand the class size, teacher's qualification, take a look at the books or materials, how the class is conducted, etc.. etc.. Although learning at CC is cheaper, it still requires your child to put in time and effort to learn. And also parent's time fetching their kids around.

No worries, I fully understand and thanks for replying!

The current class size is already very small btw 5-8. In 1-2 months' time I was told that they will be progressing to multiplication/divn - so I supposed that means additions/subtractions formulae will be completed by then. Not able to comment on the materials except that they come in photostated copies (shallow eh :oops: ). No homewrork and not that I am asking for any

My kid doesn't use fingers to count (then again he never does before joining abacus) and i don't know how to assess him on his progress (& teacher kept claiming good). Well at least when I sent my kid to music class, I will know that he has progressed by using 2 hands instead of 1 hand to play even without music background. For abacus, I was hoping to see him (mental) calculating faster perhaps but doesn't seem to be the case - - maybe 6 months is too short a time? Feel free to slap me to wake me up if I am not being realistic in my expectation.

[abacus_trainer]

swansea:

Hi abacus_trainer, how is CMA program different from CC ones ?


Would it be too late for P1 kid to go ?

What is the branch that is nearest to Punggol ?

What are opening hours ?

Sorry for asking so much question one shot.

CMA program originated from Taiwan. All the books are written by the founder. All CMA teachers need to trained and certified by CMA. There is quality control in CMA abacus classes. For CC abacus classes, teacher's experience and material used varies.

It's not too late for P1 to start, as long as the child is interested to learn.

Branch nearest to Punggol should be Tampines or Kovan.

You will need to call up both branches to find out the opening hours and class schedule.

[abacus_trainer]

radiantmum:

No worries, I fully understand and thanks for replying!


The current class size is already very small btw 5-8. In 1-2 months' time I was told that they will be progressing to multiplication/divn - so I supposed that means additions/subtractions formulae will be completed by then. Not able to comment on the materials except that they come in photostated copies (shallow eh :oops: ). No homewrork and not that I am asking for any

My kid doesn't use fingers to count (then again he never does before joining abacus) and i don't know how to assess him on his progress (& teacher kept claiming good). Well at least when I sent my kid to music class, I will know that he has progressed by using 2 hands instead of 1 hand to play even without music background. For abacus, I was hoping to see him (mental) calculating faster perhaps but doesn't seem to be the case - - maybe 6 months is too short a time? Feel free to slap me to wake me up if I am not being realistic in my expectation.

One way to know whether your child has learn all the additions/subtractions formulae is to ask him to do constant +/-. To test whether he knows all the additions formula, do +1 ten times on abacus (+1+1+1+1+1.. until he gets 10), +2 ten times, +3 ten times, +4.. +5.. +6.. +7.. +8.. +9.. To test them subtractions, do 10 -1 ten times (-1-1-1-1-1-1...) until you get zero, 20 -2 ten times (-2-2-2-2-2-2..), 30 -3, 4 -4..... and so on. For parents with kids in CMA classes, its like what you do in book 215.

I have come across a child who has learn in CC for about a year. His mum showed me his old books. The sums inside are very complex numbers. But when I ask the child to show me all the questions he has done before, he was not able to. Maybe the child repeat what the teacher teach in the class and did not really understand how to do it. He has to start learning over from scratch.

Not sure if your son is the fast learner type. If he is, after learning for 6 months he should be able to do simple single digit mental calculations but not to the extend of calculating your groceries bill as that will requires them to learn decimal point.

[janxiu]

My kid has been with CMA for the past six months. How big is a class in a CMA class on average? The one my kid's attending has approx. 15 students in one class and they are of different levels. Will the teacher be able to teach that many students and all at different levels?

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abacus_trainer:

Has he finish learning all the formula? If he has not, then he may not be able to add or subtract certain numbers. As for how to know whether the class is taught well, it's a tough question. :idea:

I have some students transferred from CC. The few general complaints are..
1. Class size too big, 1 teacher to 25 students, students at the back are noisy and making alot of noise, teacher unable to control the class.
2. Teacher takes no interest in helping the weaker students. The mum told me she don't even mind teaching the child herself but the teacher is impatient and can't be bothered to spend time to analyze with her what problem the child has.
3. Progress too fast, dump the child alot of new things to learn every lesson. The child can't catch up.
4. The child learn for 1 year but only learn abacus and did not learn mental calculation.

Assuming your child is already familar with the abacus and formula, it doesn't take very long to swop him to 2 hands. He just need to go through all the formula he has learned before and practice them with 2 hands.