Presidential Election 2011

[hquek]

pixiedust:

5 more days to D-Day. I've only eliminated 1 ! Still :frustrated:

This is harder than GE ! Is there any live debate on TV ? Any rallies (besides the TT one at Boat Quay) ?

Tuesday at TPY stadium. Wed at Yio Chu Kang stadium. 7pm onwards.

TJS & TKL. Sorry, I can't quite remember who is where, but there should be action in these 2 places. TCB so far no news on rally.

[limlim]

Just to share..


\"[Xin Ming News] Presidential candidates asked on Ong Teng Cheong's difficulty in gettin reserve info

The 4 presidential candiates were interviewed about it\"

http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/showpost.php?p=58862427&postcount=1

[concern2]

limlim:

growie:

[quote=\"verykiasu2010\"]in MCQ test, some time we got no choice have to go by elimination .... same for this PE....at the end, who is of lesser evil when there is no ideal candidate ?

:goodpost: I'm also using this strategy.
I only know TT is out for me as it's far too obvious he has strong backup. TJS as mentioned by someone, is a bit confrontational but agreed that he does raise very good points and issues. TCB looks very warm and serious and TKL seems earnest to serve though he does pale in comparison to the others in speeches. Gotta read more and hear more before casting my vote next Saturday.

My personal view between TSJ and TCB is this..

For TCB, he seems to be a charitable person, and the impression he gives me is that he will work \"hand-in-hand\" with the MIW and provide them \"advises\" and providing suggestions when facing economic issues etc based on his experiences and such.. he keep saying that he will not \"step out of line\" and kinda suggesting that some candidates is trying to promise something that is not within the power of the EP etc.. IIRC..

However, I will not choose someone like him.. becasue..

The PAP has been a very effective ruling party.. I believe, the MIW does not need someone to \"guide\" them.. the People, do not need someone to \"Teach\" MIW what to do..

On the other hand.. The ruling party has power.. A LOT of power.. and powers tends to corrupt.. The People NEED someone to Keep an eye on the ruling party and watch them closely.. Only the EP is able to do this task now.. as the pple have decided not to keep the power in check at the last GE..

Hence, I believe TSJ is a better choice..

He will be an effective check.. And the pple need checks and balances more.. rather them someone who is like an \"adviser\" to an already very capable and effective ruling party..[/quote]I agree with you on TJS - you mean TJS not TSJ, right? :evil:
Haven't decided who to vote, but some comments: Majority of Singaporeans do not like those who look confrontational, so those who think TJS is so may choose TCB instead.
Singaporeans laugh that the Presidential is for 'show' only - a ceremonious one, but when they get to choose, many go for someone who 'look the part', and I find it very amusing - well, at least with those whom I talked to. So you don't mind having to look at a nice picture in the halls and continue to rant about the 'system'? It is really interesting to see what the outcome of this will be, although I also think there will be many void votes.

Which is worse? Low percentage of win or high percentage of voids? It tells of a country.
I don't see quitting as a form of weakness or giving up. Sometimes quitting is a form of 抗议. If elected, he represents majority of Singaporeans.

[sall]

My elderly auntie is going to vote for TCB because he's a Teochew and he has a President's face.

[ZacK]

Personally for me… From the onset I thought I had someone clearly in mind as I thought that I wanted to see someone with stature as the PE, but I see my vote swaying but it will not be towards TJS. Based on the clips I see TJS does not appear personable and I do not feel that he really has the people’s interest at heart, that is just me… I kinda feel that if elected TJS will build himself up to be a political powerhouse which will have a divisive effect that I do not think Singapore is ready for.


For checks and balances on the ruling govt, based on the recent GE we have already voiced out and the outcome was we have more opposition parties elected into parliament. Let these opposition party members do their job in parliament.

So I guess I have one of the 3 Tans left to consider before Sat.

[verykiasu2010]

at this moment the political system of singapore is such that "check and balances" is done via the parliament; the elected president is ceremonial plus custodial


if TJS wishes to be the "check & balance" he should seek to enter parliament which will gives him more legitimacy

as it is now, TJS flip-flopped between the May 2011 GE seeking to enter parliament and then abruptly resigned from the party to contest the EP to talk about "check & balance"…he is merely being a political opportunist seeking his own personal agenda of holding a political office

where is his commitment to serve and better the interest of singaporeans ?

[peapot]

Verykiasu, I agree with u. TJS come across as opportunist and also emotionally involved. Maybe he is too young?? Or perhaps this is really his character.

[concern2]

ZacK:

Personally for me... From the onset I thought I had someone clearly in mind as I thought that I wanted to see someone with stature as the PE, but I see my vote swaying but it will not be towards TJS. Based on the clips I see TJS does not appear personable and I do not feel that he really has the people's interest at heart, that is just me... I kinda feel that if elected TJS will build himself up to be a political powerhouse which will have a divisive effect that I do not think Singapore is ready for.


For checks and balances on the ruling govt, based on the recent GE we have already voiced out and the outcome was we have more opposition parties elected into parliament. Let these opposition party members do their job in parliament.

So I guess I have one of the 3 Tans left to consider before Sat.

I am also considering to segregate PE from GE. TJS is probably better-off as opposition in GE rather than standing for PE. For checks and balances, however, I am concerned if the voices, including NCMP may be sufficient, because if it comes to voting for/against, from what TT is saying, there is still bound to be decisions based on collective responsibility in Parliament. Then, result of GE is a step forward, but not a very big step. Thus far, the change since election has been but a ripple. (Perhaps I am hoping for a bigger change?) Yet, we have to wait till October to hear the first parliamentary meeting. :faint: If we could begin to hear more diverse voices in Parliament, even coming from the MIW, perhaps that would show whether PAP is really set out to change as promised, then perhaps the decision would have been an easier one.. I teared when CSM has been disinvited to the 7th month festival, how such injustice is still going on after this watershed election. And I couldn't help laughing when TJS said,\"I do not want to end up like the casino debate, you say yes, and later you cry...\"

Question: Do you need the president's approval on how the constituencies (GRCs) are drawn/ redrawn during each election? If yes, what will happen if the president disagrees in how the constituencies are drawn? Can cabinet still proceed?

If the president does have the ability to shape how the future GEs are run, I think my choice will be very clear.

[limlim]

ZacK:

For checks and balances on the ruling govt, based on the recent GE we have already voiced out and the outcome was we have more opposition parties elected into parliament. Let these opposition party members do their job in parliament.

The representation of 7/87 seats in parliament is not reflective of the 40% of Opp votes.

1 out of 1 seat for the EP is not the same as 1 out for 87 seats for the MP. Furthermore, the EP has powers which the MPs doesn't have.

The EP have some powers which >> that of 7 MPs in the parliament.

They played a slightly different role althou both can provide some form of checks and balances. And the EP can do something which 7 MPs in parliament can't.

[Chenonceau]

concern2:

ZacK:

Personally for me... From the onset I thought I had someone clearly in mind as I thought that I wanted to see someone with stature as the PE, but I see my vote swaying but it will not be towards TJS. Based on the clips I see TJS does not appear personable and I do not feel that he really has the people's interest at heart, that is just me... I kinda feel that if elected TJS will build himself up to be a political powerhouse which will have a divisive effect that I do not think Singapore is ready for.


For checks and balances on the ruling govt, based on the recent GE we have already voiced out and the outcome was we have more opposition parties elected into parliament. Let these opposition party members do their job in parliament.

So I guess I have one of the 3 Tans left to consider before Sat.

I am also considering to segregate PE from GE. TJS is probably better-off as opposition in GE rather than standing for PE. For checks and balances, however, I am concerned if the voices, including NCMP may be sufficient, because if it comes to voting for/against, from what TT is saying, there is still bound to be decisions based on collective responsibility in Parliament. Then, result of GE is a step forward, but not a very big step. Thus far, the change since election has been but a ripple. (Perhaps I am hoping for a bigger change?) Yet, we have to wait till October to hear the first parliamentary meeting. :faint: If we could begin to hear more diverse voices in Parliament, even coming from the MIW, perhaps that would show whether PAP is really set out to change as promised, then perhaps the decision would have been an easier one.. I teared when CSM has been disinvited to the 7th month festival, how such injustice is still going on after this watershed election. And I couldn't help laughing when TJS said,\"I do not want to end up like the casino debate, you say yes, and later you cry...\"

Question: Do you need the president's approval on how the constituencies (GRCs) are drawn/ redrawn during each election? If yes, what will happen if the president disagrees in how the constituencies are drawn? Can cabinet still proceed?

If the president does have the ability to shape how the future GEs are run, I think my choice will be very clear.

I like your analysis. Thanks for clarifying some thoughts in my head.