Presidential Election 2011
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limlim:
Don't mean to ask dis in a contentious way...Talking about unify and division..
At the WP rally in May, I saw the meaning of \"one united pple\"..
Not at the NDP, not on TV sawing some MP playing with HP when singing national anthem..
Pples seems to suggest that TJS will cause the pple to divide.. I tends to believe in the opposite.. He may be able to unite the pple like the way WP did at the rallies.
On the other hand.. TT may cause the pple to be even more divided.. esp when pple hear of the 12 year deferment, and the many things he has done.. nicely summarized in some clips as posted by fellow forumer..
On the issue of \"rocking the boat\".. Since the EP has no real active power, how is he ever going to rock the boat????? This term is more like fear mongering.. Much in the same favor as the fear of PAP losing majority of the seats at the last GE..
Voicing out opinions in public on questionable policies (should there be a need) is not \"rocking the boat\".. by any measure, I believe.
but convince me TJS can unite d ppl n he will get my vote + a few more.
Some ppl view his style as 'confrontational', though I would say he is combative which is not necessarily bad. -
hquek:
thought it's only 1 uncle and 3 ah gongs?[/quote] :rotflmao: :rotflmao:ChiefKiasu:
[quote=\"Big fish\"]Actually I don't like any one of them, one too mild,one too PAP, one too aggressive and the last one too uncle. Si liao, don't know who to choose!!!!!!!!!!
I thought they are all uncles? :? -
I will consider the one who will not die on me half way because he suffer in silence, and also the one who will not quit on me…oh oh, and of course not someone who doesn’t make any difference…
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limlim:
:goodpost: Well said!Talking about unify and division..
At the WP rally in May, I saw the meaning of \"one united pple\"..
Not at the NDP, not on TV sawing some MP playing with HP when singing national anthem..
Pples seems to suggest that TJS will cause the pple to divide.. I tends to believe in the opposite.. He may be able to unite the pple like the way WP did at the rallies.
On the other hand.. TT may cause the pple to be even more divided.. esp when pple hear of the 12 year deferment, and the many things he has done.. nicely summarized in some clips as posted by fellow forumer..
On the issue of \"rocking the boat\".. Since the EP has no real active power, how is he ever going to rock the boat????? This term is more like fear mongering.. Much in the same favor as the fear of PAP losing majority of the seats at the last GE..
Voicing out opinions in public on questionable policies (should there be a need) is not \"rocking the boat\".. by any measure, I believe.
Initially, TCB was not in my selection list, just like TT, I deemed them both the \"Men in White\". Than TCB seemed to change my mind (for the better) but midway, there's alot of compromising, lots of talk to the effect of walking in unison with the government and I revert back to my original decision again. But I have no doubt he's a very warm and respected individual...no dispute on that. Than there is the issue of his age as pointed out by Strparent. And why is he keeping all of us in suspense over details of his rally? :?
TKL is by far the weakest link but I still hope he can get back his deposit.
TJS impresses to a certain extent and I am also considering him.
There is no perfect choice and I am still mulling over my final decision this Saturday.
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concern2:
I will consider the one who will not die on me half way because he suffer in silence, and also the one who will not quit on me...oh oh, and of course not someone who doesn't make any difference...
concern2 you mean like this ....
Vote for the right Tan.
If not, you may end up with a 笨 tan,
or worse, a 坏 tan who will 捣 tan
and will be 完 tan,
& we all 死 tan !!!
:faint: :lightrod:
just a lighter side of thing ...this has been circulating in smses.... -
limlim:
:rahrah:concern2:
Those who think that just voting in oppositions in GE is sufficient need to rethink. I found a similar analysis here, but it is Mandarin:
\"...在官方说法的假设里，强烈的暗示了非PAP政府是一个流氓政府，非PAP总理是一个无赖总理的价值判断。这正好反映了政府把非PAP政治妖魔化的一贯思维。
这一种解读进一步证实了，民选总统制度的真正目是让PAP选定与认可的总统，在PAP失去政权后，通过总统的权力制衡非PAP政府。如此一来，民选总统的真正工作是阻止非PAP政府的有效运作；当PAP失去政权后，民选总统会成为一个对抗政府的政治平台。\"
extracted from: http://www.sginsight.com/xjp/index.php?id=6864
Tried to translate this, but quite disastrous. Can anyone help to translate?
It basically means that the president's role is a weapon in favour of PAP in times of an opposition dominated parliament.
\"In the official statement's assumption, it strongly hinted of a value judgement that non-PAP goverment is a rogue government, non PAP PM is a rogue PM. This just reflects the govt's long-standing belief of viewing non-PAP politics as devilish.
This type of explanation further proves that, The EP system's real intention is to let a PAP chosen and approved president, in the event that PAP loses it's power, via the president's authority, restrain a non PAP govt. In this aspect, an EP's real job is prevent non PAP govt's efficient operation. When PAP loses power, the EP will be an anti-govt force in the political arena.\"
Thank you, limlim, for your appropriate choice of words in translating this. I wouldn't have gotten anywhere near this!
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kiddo:
concern2:
I will consider the one who will not die on me half way because he suffer in silence, and also the one who will not quit on me...oh oh, and of course not someone who doesn't make any difference...
concern2 you mean like this ....
Vote for the right Tan.
If not, you may end up with a 笨 tan,
or worse, a 坏 tan who will 捣 tan
and will be 完 tan,
& we all 死 tan !!!
:faint: :lightrod:
just a lighter side of thing ...this has been circulating in smses....
Yes, I've received this too! Have you seen the one on Rambutan? And Orangutan?
Cannot find the Rambutan one, but the Orangutan one is one with faces of the EP candidates and the 5th one being an orangutan. -
Something to view...before you vote on Saturday:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HXfsosvg4Y&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/user/wendyneo?feature=chclk#p/u/4/0KpnOFsuw0Y
So are we Ben Dan....
:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: -
:goodpost: W2G, thanks for sharing your analysis.
My initial vote was to TT on the basis of what we know publicly about him when he was in cabinet. If on the basis of stature and carrying himself well to represent Singapore during international meetings, i have no doubt that TT would be the perfect candidate. However as the campaign progresses I agree with your last point that TT is good at saying something and yet not making a point, in that you do not really know what he stands for, perhaps it is a necessary skill to survive in the political arena. Many I spoke with feel that he is an elitist and thus the disconnect with the general population at large.
Like you, I am not saying that TSJ will not be a possible choice. However when I spoke with friends, they also felt that when the candidates' speeches were aired on TV, TSJ gave a very sinister feel that I personally was not comfortable with. He makes one wonder what his hidden agenda is in running for candidacy. To date, he has yet to convince me that he is suited for the job, i.e. ready to serve for the people of Singapore, based on my personal view.
We have already agreed that no one candidate seems to be the obvious choice as PE. Based on elimination process, the qualities that I still see in TCB merits him to have the casting vote, up to this point for me. Let's take one PE at a time, so essentially I am only interested in the incumbent doing the job for the next 6 years.Way2GO:
Hiya Zack, agree with some good points in ur assessment.
My first choice at the beginning of the campaign was the good doctor from Ama Keng TCB, but now I wonder whether he has the energy and stamina.
On TJS’s motive, my musing is this.
It could be that he wanted to test the PEC system on COE but his real target is to increase his public recognition and exposure in preparation for next GE. He has achieved this, so I am surprised he actually stay on to fight in the race instead of pulling out and giving his support to TCB, which would have gotten him more goodwill and political capital for GE 2016. By making it a 4 horse race, he and TKL hv handed the advantage to TT. But I wouldn’t doubt his desire to serve the ppl.
Though I wouldn’t favour a President who is there to meddle with the smooth functioning of state just for the sake of opposing, his combative style may be just what we need at a time like this – to unify the ppl behind the same banner and common cause; with the moral courage to speak up for the ppl without fear or favour when gahmen policies are not aligned with ppl’s aspirations.
IMHO, TKL is a spoiler in this race. He may hv the desire n the heart, but he is clearly out of his element in dis campaign. But he is smart enuf to ask for donations to fund his deposit, he probably knows he is not getting it back.
Despite his past reputation n stature, what I hv seen of TT's performance in dis campaign thus far has only shown him to be a skillful Taiji master demonstrating his formidable adroitness at answering questions with excessive verbiage that yet says little of his personal stand on issues.
The toss-up for me is between TCB n TJS at this point. -
Big fish:
Actually I don't like any one of them, one too mild,one too PAP, one too aggressive and the last one too uncle. Si liao, don't know who to choose!!!!!!!!!!
I share your views and dilemma too....
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