Presidential Election 2011

[Angelight]

Aiyoh, hquek, u misunderstood me. I said I share the same sentiments as your posting. I'm just calling on all to just share their own opinions and views without coming on hard on others who may not share the same views as them. Cos I can sense some hostility amidst some posters with diverse views... :siam:

hquek:

hi angelight,

sorie, not sure if I character-assasinated anyone or called anyone names. Thought I was just sharing how I felt. Getting a bit confused liao.

[concern2]

Chenonceau:

concern2:

Sori . Really have nothing against Sharon Au, just thought that the moment she started talking, with the animated girlish gestures, they reminded me of someone. Just want to see if anyone share the same observation..

I talk with girlish gestures too... Just because Sharon Au supported a candidate that she believed in (and that you don't) does not mean that we should denigrate her for being girlish. There are already few enough women in parliament as it is... what is wrong with being girlish? Girls don't have brains?

Sorry... I dun mean to be unpleasant. I just don't want us to become too insensitive to how women view politics and politicians... and I don't want men to mistake girlishness for stupidity and incompetence.

There is truth in what you say. However, when it comes to politics, or any high positions, you have to agree that the way one speaks has tremendous impact on forming people's opinion about them - not just for women, but for men too.

[tankee]

ksi:

tankee:

[quote=\"Flowermonaster\"]To me, age/sex/race/religion is not a barrier if the person is capable and suitable.

And healthy and able to last his or her term.

:hi5: tankee...exactly what I have in mind. [/quote] :hi5:

[Angelight]

Btw, hquek, how come you and some others got the title \"councillor\"? Is it some appointments or promotion?

[Chenonceau]

concern2:

Chenonceau:

[quote=\"concern2\"] Sori . Really have nothing against Sharon Au, just thought that the moment she started talking, with the animated girlish gestures, they reminded me of someone. Just want to see if anyone share the same observation..

I talk with girlish gestures too... Just because Sharon Au supported a candidate that she believed in (and that you don't) does not mean that we should denigrate her for being girlish. There are already few enough women in parliament as it is... what is wrong with being girlish? Girls don't have brains?

Sorry... I dun mean to be unpleasant. I just don't want us to become too insensitive to how women view politics and politicians... and I don't want men to mistake girlishness for stupidity and incompetence.

There is truth in what you say. However, when it comes to politics, or any high positions, you have to agree that the way one speaks has tremendous impact on forming people's opinion about them - not just for women, but for men too.[/quote]Yes... Tan Kin Lian cannot speak well. No one called him a derogatory term like \"bast***\". Using the word \"chick\" on a young female politician is as good as calling a male politician a \"bast***\". I am sure we can debate with more elegance than this.

Let's keep the tenor of the discussion at a level that commands respect from readers, and stay away from terms like \"chicks\"... whatever your views.

[concern2]

concern2:

There is truth in what you say. However, when it comes to politics, or any high positions, you have to agree that the way one speaks has tremendous impact on forming people's opinion about them - not just for women, but for men too.

Anyway, my intention isn't really to mock, just my personal observation, it's actually quite :offtopic:

[Chenonceau]

insider:

if a man appears on a political stage being boyish and childish, he will attract the same kind of labels and few will take him seriously.

You can decide NOT to take someone seriously but it is no excuse to call a young lady a \"chick\".

I am very girlish and I speak in a squeaky voice... but many a CEO have sat through my presentations and read my research reports (and put money into implementing my recommendations), and many a CEO have commended my work. There have been cases where clients WAIT for me to free up my schedule... and they write my name into the contract so that they will get MY personal attention. My DD is girlish too but she has already edited a book and presented her research in a research seminar Germany. She is not yet 18.

But if you hear my DD speak, she sounds childish and young BECAUSE she IS young. Sharon Au is an attractive young lady. Give her a break. Don't call her by a derogatory term like \"chick\".

To equate stupidity and incompetence with girlishness is to write off many a female's ability to contribute before she has contributed. It is unwise because females form slightly more than half of the Singapore population.

[concern2]

Chenonceau:

concern2:

Sori . Really have nothing against Sharon Au, just thought that the moment she started talking, with the animated girlish gestures, they reminded me of someone. Just want to see if anyone share the same observation..

I talk with girlish gestures too... Just because Sharon Au supported a candidate that she believed in (and that you don't) does not mean that we should denigrate her for being girlish. There are already few enough women in parliament as it is... what is wrong with being girlish? Girls don't have brains?

Sorry... I dun mean to be unpleasant. I just don't want us to become too insensitive to how women view politics and politicians... and I don't want men to mistake girlishness for stupidity and incompetence.

I wonder if it is right to make this comparison now that we are on this topic of gesture: if a woman taking part in a similar election make girlish gestures is viewed as lack of substance, would a man who speaks with a lot of hard hand gestures be viewed as aggressive and confrontational? Hope I am not side-tracking too much, just something to think about, and no offence intended.

[Chenonceau]

concern2:

Anyway, my intention isn't really to mock, just my personal observation, it's actually quite :offtopic:

Teeheehee! Yeah lor... kinda...

[Chenonceau]

concern2:

I wonder if it is right to make this comparison now that we are on this topic of gesture: if a woman taking part in a similar election make girlish gestures is viewed as lack of substance, would a man who speaks with a lot of hard hand gestures be viewed as aggressive and confrontational? Hope I am not side-tracking too much, just something to think about, and no offence intended.

Ah yes... and for that reason many have chosen NOT to take TJS seriously... but did anyone call him a bast***? Just stay away from derogatory terms that specifically target women and you can continue to expound your political views.

A choice of candidate is a personal one. For various reasons, we may choose NOT to take someone seriously... and give reasons for it. However, in KSP, we want to maintain a civil and respectful tenor when debating our views... and so let's refrain from calling people names like \"chicks\".