Pei Hwa Presbyterian Primary

[Trapwithin]

comfy:

Yes, yes I agreed. The funny thing is that in NYPS, they put the dc in expert class for various subjects and the teachers are supposed to be experts in that particular subject they are teaching. Not like, PHPPS whereby a teacher can be teaching a few subjects. So my point is that the so called expert teacher is also not so 'expert' afterall. This has been a souring point among some the 'GEP\" mothers that I have friended with. Furthur more, the class size is also smaller than main-stream class still can have students failing in certain subject. Most of the students obtain just average marks and teacher just justified by feedbacking that students have no confidence and have weak concept in subject. :mad: Just sharing, ok

I think because most GEP parents outsourced their teaching and monitor from behind, a lot of the GEP kids already know their stuff before the teachers are teaching. As such, that \"standard\" becomes a norm in school and kids without external help will have to play catch up. In school, the GEP teachers can only do additional stuff with those \"catch up\" kids during remedial lessons after school.

[Jennifer]

gracy:

[quote]The performance of PH in NMOS and APMOPS is not so fantastic. Maybe this new HOD can do something on it.

em.... actually PHPPS had never helped the students in Math olympiads. They'll organise for a MO trainer to come in. The quality of teachers vary and the class size is not optimal. Basically all who obtained Platinum in SMOPS have private OM tutors, whether it be class or 1-1. The lessons will be more intensive by P5 EOY hols in preparation for SMOPS & RIWMC. Basically, if you want to achieve good results, you have to outsource.[/quote]I would think the sch did help in preparing the selected fews in MO. At least, the PH engaged a trained professional. But whether the preparation has been sufficient is another issue we complain abt During my elder boy's time, the class size was not very huge, think less than 20 pupils with heavily subsided fees.

[markfch]

Am I right to assume that the main purpose of all this (substantial) preparation for MO competitions is for DSA?


The qn at the tip of my mind is, ‘Would a P6 kid suffer in PSLE maths exam if he doesn’t get any MO training?’

[markfch]

Trapwithin:

I think because most GEP parents outsourced their teaching and monitor from behind, a lot of the GEP kids already know their stuff before the teachers are teaching. As such, that \"standard\" becomes a norm in school and kids without external help will have to play catch up. In school, the GEP teachers can only do additional stuff with those \"catch up\" kids during remedial lessons after school.

That sort of defeat the purpose of GEP issn't it? How I interprete - of course I could be totally wrong - is that GEP is specially designed to groom gifted kids to fulfill their potential. But if the parents of these gifted kids still need to outsource to avoid playing catch-up within the programme, then what's the pt of GEP except maybe for purpose of DSA? See the irony.

Anyway I've :offtopic:

[Jennifer]

markfch:

Am I right to assume that the main purpose of all this (substantial) preparation for MO competitions is for DSA?


The qn at the tip of my mind is, 'Would a P6 kid suffer in PSLE maths exam if he doesn't get any MO training?'

Two years ago, I did not know abt the value of MO awards. Hence, there was no outsourced training for my elder boy and we treated it like an enrichment prog since the teacher shortlisted him as a participant.

The awards he got were not fantastic, ranging from a 25 percentile (his very first competition) to a Silver (the last competition).

We applied DSA at NUSHigh and ACS(I) and passed 1st round screening at both schs despite a just above avg P5 and P6 academic results.

So I think MO awards hv an impact on DSA.

PSLE Maths paper has a different set of qns. But I believe MO trainings sharpen thinking and speed at solving qns.

My P4 boy has started MO training recently. Just the other day, I gave him a few qns from Fabian Ng's assessment to practise. He finished the qns quickly and accurately, even applying a new concept (ratio) learnt during the MO class.

But I dun think any pupil who is good at Maths would not do well at PSLE if he did not receive MO training.

[markfch]

Thanks Jen for the detailed info.


The reason I asked is that my most pressing constraint is time. I really don’t see how I can squeeze any more enrichment for ds when he reaches P4.

[comfy]

Trapwithin:

comfy:

Yes, yes I agreed. The funny thing is that in NYPS, they put the dc in expert class for various subjects and the teachers are supposed to be experts in that particular subject they are teaching. Not like, PHPPS whereby a teacher can be teaching a few subjects. So my point is that the so called expert teacher is also not so 'expert' afterall. This has been a souring point among some the 'GEP\" mothers that I have friended with. Furthur more, the class size is also smaller than main-stream class still can have students failing in certain subject. Most of the students obtain just average marks and teacher just justified by feedbacking that students have no confidence and have weak concept in subject. :mad: Just sharing, ok

I think because most GEP parents outsourced their teaching and monitor from behind, a lot of the GEP kids already know their stuff before the teachers are teaching. As such, that \"standard\" becomes a norm in school and kids without external help will have to play catch up. In school, the GEP teachers can only do additional stuff with those \"catch up\" kids during remedial lessons after school.

Yes, you are right. Especially for Math, even the teacher admits that she has to teach fast as most of the students are already familiar with most of the topics. The correction and explanation also done super fast, whether the students understand or not is not of concern to this particular teacher. She said can't slow down. So students without prior knowledge are definitely at a disadvantage unless the student is a true math genius. Yap, unfair right, so what to do, going to outsource Math in the coming months. So if cannot beat them, join them. Only :moneyflies: Even having remedial lessons also quite useless as 'Teaching' method still the same.

[comfy]

Hi E3, so how your dd find the Gep screening test?

[janet88]

Hi Parents,

I dread to imagine my son in P6 next year :nailbite: but heard the P6 teachers are reliable...is this the case for all classes or just the the top 3 ?

Fortunately, my son has great teachers for Math & CL this year. After the FT left, there is a new one...a MALE teacher for EL and Science. Only heard from son he is very fierce, but I welcome that. Yet to have a chance to communicate with him, since there is no Parent-Teacher meeting for second half of the year.

[gracy]

Jennifer:

markfch:

Am I right to assume that the main purpose of all this (substantial) preparation for MO competitions is for DSA?


The qn at the tip of my mind is, 'Would a P6 kid suffer in PSLE maths exam if he doesn't get any MO training?'

Two years ago, I did not know abt the value of MO awards. Hence, there was no outsourced training for my elder boy and we treated it like an enrichment prog since the teacher shortlisted him as a participant.

The awards he got were not fantastic, ranging from a 25 percentile (his very first competition) to a Silver (the last competition).

We applied DSA at NUSHigh and ACS(I) and passed 1st round screening at both schs despite a just above avg P5 and P6 academic results.

So I think MO awards hv an impact on DSA.

PSLE Maths paper has a different set of qns. But I believe MO trainings sharpen thinking and speed at solving qns.

My P4 boy has started MO training recently. Just the other day, I gave him a few qns from Fabian Ng's assessment to practise. He finished the qns quickly and accurately, even applying a new concept (ratio) learnt during the MO class.

But I dun think any pupil who is good at Maths would not do well at PSLE if he did not receive MO training.

The general feeling is that PSLE is moving more towards MO type of questions. Thus, knowing MO techniques, though not compulsory, does help to ans questions quicker, which may prove to be crucial when it comes to a tough paper