Some students fail to thrive on Integrated Programme scheme
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SAHM_TAN:
I'm sure there are students from the Top 10% who do not feel suited for the IP too. My elder ds' classmate was one of them. After Year 1, he withdrew from the school himself and went to a neighborhood school. He became the top student there in his 2nd year.wonder did anyone from top 10 percent fail.
wonder among the schools that offered IP, which has the highest pecentage of students who opted out / did not qualify for local uni.
But then again, not everyone who study in JC make it to local uni, so is this news surprising? -
We all recognise the distinct advantages of being in the IP. All these programmes are there for specific reasons. A fair number of parents would go all out to ensure that their kids can partake in such programmes nevermind if theirs are definately suitable or not.
10% dropout rate is not really alarming though i personally emphatise with their disappointment in such instances. This must also be measured to our top 2nd tier jcs which hve a fall out rate of approx 15%. Remember that 70% of A-level cohort manage to enroll in local unis. Obviously there are many cases of students from top IP schools that failed to enroll in their desire courses vs-a vs many from non-IP which managed to do it. Does it mean that IP is not a guaranteed success route? Ans is yes! Another question, does IP live up to its expectation? My answer is yes if only the student is an independent learner willing to explore, discover interdisciplinary knowledge and above all these has an aptitude of a self-starter.
For those who fall outside the IP or who hve chosen to enroll in top 0-level schools despite being academicallyt qualified, take note that u do not actually lose out. 0-levels which is an intermediate exam trains a student to be self-discipline and an attempt to take this exam actually helps a student to sharpen his exam technicques when moving up to A-levels. Off course many would argue that top IP schools produce the most scholarship recipents and have the most conductive enviroment to achieve a student’s aspiration and potential. My answer is not necessary. An analysis of the past 5-yr A-level results show that it is rather difficult to add value in top IP schs. Incidentally, during the last 3 yr period, two of top scholarship holders ie awarded both President and Safos hailed from a top non-IP school. Even RI managed to produce only one during this period and nil from all other IP schools. Off course I must conclude that RI and HCI produce the nation’s top scholars in sheer numbers.
My conclusion is top performers may come from a non IP school though top schools hve collectively attract most of the nation’s brighest students which largely account for its superior performance. -
The key in that article is "self-directed learning". Those that just like to "mug" may not thrive, bc IP programs require more than that.
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I think it is impt for the students who are not suitable for IP to find an exit path at some point. But to know when to exit and where to go are not easy.
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What attributes are required / suited for IP, since students from top 10% also opt out? The right T-score gives eligibility but how to decide on suitability?
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SAHM_TAN:
What attributes are required / suited for IP, since students from top 10% also opt out? The right T-score gives eligibility but how to decide on suitability?
If they are mature enough to be working on their own, plan their own schedules, work well with others in a team. -
I don’t find the information in this article surprising. Not everyone is suited for the IP style of learning, which emphasizes self-directed and independent learning. Top PSLE scorers do not necessarily thrive in an IP setting. Someone who studies very very hard and memorizes facts well can do very well in PSLE.
Secondary school, especially secondary school in an IP setting is a very different ballgame. I’ve seen top students with scores of 270s flounder in a top IP school. They might have been pushed very hard in primary school, sent to all kinds of tuition centres and forced to study by their parents. When they get to secondary school, they’re burnt out. And faced with classmates who are just as bright or even brighter than them, and that they’re no longer number one, they lose their confidence and stop trying. Of course such cases are few, but they do exist.
That’s why I do not think that having so many new IPs is a good thing. Parents are clamoring to get their kids into IP schools without thinking through if their kids are able to thrive in one. Just like how parents are sending their kids to GEP-grooming classes in the hope that they’ll get in without thinking if the programme is suitable for them.
IP is a good programme… for the right kind of students. -
FanFanX:
This is ridiculous! You don't go to RI to end up in poly! :siam:
Raffles Institution said it was looking into starting an O-level class. Principal Lim Lai Cheng said that if this happens, it will be 'to open up options' for those wanting to go to polytechnics or abroad.
Actually these top notch IP school where every student is academically streched in an accelerated environment should set up some kind of minimum TScore(240? 250? the school can decide based on past experience) for those DSAed. In such an environment, it does not make sense to say that as long as you have a confirmed offer we welcome you with open arms even if u score 201(express eligibility). Aren't the schools being greedy to get these students in just to bring medals and glory to the school at the cost of the child?
From now on I guess parents should approach this DSA thingy with caution. -
tisha:
It takes two hands to clap. If you know your kid's academics aren't that strong why apply for RI where most everyone's T-score is >260?
This is ridiculous! You don't go to RI to end up in poly! :siam:FanFanX:
Raffles Institution said it was looking into starting an O-level class. Principal Lim Lai Cheng said that if this happens, it will be 'to open up options' for those wanting to go to polytechnics or abroad.
Actually these top notch IP school where every student is academically streched in an accelerated environment should set up some kind of minimum TScore(240? 250? the school can decide based on past experience) for those DSAed. In such an environment, it does not make sense to say that as long as you have a confirmed offer we welcome you with open arms even if u score 201(express eligibility). Aren't the schools being greedy to get these students in just to bring medals and glory to the school at the cost of the child?
From now on I guess parents should approach this DSA thingy with caution. -
jtoh:
It takes two hands to clap. If you know your kid's academics aren't that strong why apply for RI where most everyone's T-score is >260?[/quote]Agree with you jtoh. It is ultimately the parents responsibilty to choose the best for thier kids. After all it is out child's life/future that is at stake and not the school's students. I mean it is we parents who worry for our children's future not the school.
This is ridiculous! You don't go to RI to end up in poly! :siam:tisha:
[quote=\"FanFanX\"]
Raffles Institution said it was looking into starting an O-level class. Principal Lim Lai Cheng said that if this happens, it will be 'to open up options' for those wanting to go to polytechnics or abroad.
Actually these top notch IP school where every student is academically streched in an accelerated environment should set up some kind of minimum TScore(240? 250? the school can decide based on past experience) for those DSAed. In such an environment, it does not make sense to say that as long as you have a confirmed offer we welcome you with open arms even if u score 201(express eligibility). Aren't the schools being greedy to get these students in just to bring medals and glory to the school at the cost of the child?
From now on I guess parents should approach this DSA thingy with caution.
What I'm trying to say is that, it is OK for non-IP schools to admit DSA students if they meet the express eligibility. But should IP schools go buy the same 200 Tscore rule, knowing very well how demanding their curriculum is?
Since you say it takes two hands to clap, you do acknowledge the school's role right?
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