Cedar VS St Nicholas
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yummymummy30:
yummymummy30,
I find the data above unbelievable.twilight:
There are certain critical differences between SNGS and Cedar O levels. Cedar focuses a lot on L1R5 and therefore, most students only take 8 subjects, or at most 9 with 3rd language, which is why it is quite unlikely to produce the top scorer for O levels, but its mean L1R5, which shows the general performance of the whole cohort, was 2nd for 2010 O levels, after SCGS. I'm not sure what the ranking of SNGS is. However in SNGS, even triple science students take two humanities so the majority of the students will take 9 subjects. With 3rd language, some can have up to 10 subjects and usually the top scorer for O levels will have 10 A1. But with the change in syllabus and SS becoming a pure subject, I'm not sure how all these would change. I still highly believe Cedar will continue to focus on L1R5, their best 6 subjects instead of taking as many subjects as possible, unless MOE implements some other rules regarding subject combination.
Both schools are good schools though. So ask your dd which school culture and atmosphere she prefers, if she attended the open house. Otherwise, you can consider distance as well. A long commute to school on a daily basis can be quite tiring.
A simple googling of the annual O level top scorers will show that Cedar’s performances is far below those of SNGS and SCGS. Nothing to do with how many subjects majority of the students take.
Just take a look at this. http://www.asiaone.com/News/Education/Story/A1Story20100111-190988.html
Besides producing THE TOP scorer of 10 A1s for 3 years running, SNGS also produced the HIGHEST NUMBER of 9A1s among all the rest of the schools anyway (SCGS only produced 2 who got 9A1, and MGS only produced 3, which is a very big gap from St Nicks' 13). This clearly proves your theory of Cedar students taking fewer subjects than SNGS wrong. Even with 8 or 9 subjects, Cedar failed to produce any top scorers and as we can see clearly from MOE provided data, Cedar performance is even worse than schools like Anderson and Crescent Girls.
SNGS not only produced the top scorer 3 years running (10A1s), it also has the strongest showing of top scorers all round (the other students). So your theory that the 3 SNGS top scorers were recruited MOE students from overseas is instantly debunked.
Additionally, the results speak for themselves. The fact that Cedar's students take fewer subjects points to academic inaptitude relative to SNGS. The fact that majority of SNGS students can handle more subjects, close to 10 for the top classes and 9 for most classes is proof of superior academic strength, similar to how RI, RGS and Chinese High were like before these 3 schools adopted the through-train. All this is just simple logic.
Among all the schools announced to take on the IP, Cedar and VS were the 2 that stood out to be the least deserving and most academically weak and did not deserve to have the IP programme. All my friends who are parents made the same remarks, other than those who were formerly from Cedar themselves.
I’d say Cedar’s standard is currently in the same league as schools like TKGS and even lower than Crescent.
Even before this whole IP thing back in the early to mid 2000s, SNGS's ranking was way ahead of schools like Cedar or Crescent, who never made the top 10 back then. Back in those days we all remember SNGS sent way more students to the top 2 JCs, and though much less so than RI, RGS and Chinese High, some of their top students bagged top overseas scholarships after A level. Not so for schools like Cedar or VS, which never figured at all in that league. The top 6 that did not take in any affiliate students constantly occupied the top 6. St Nicks and then SCGS followed suit and then followed by ACS Independent who did not take in any affiliated students but still fared worse than SNGS and SCGS back then. Cedar, Crescent, TKGS did not take in any affiliated students and yet never made it to top 10. As for VS, I didn't even know of VS's existence, until I started work.phtthp:
The two points above are comparing apples to oranges cos one is not IP score, the other is IP score.another thread say COP for St Nick is 249
http://www.kiasuparents.com/kiasu/forum/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=29763&start=80
COP for Cedar IP is 258
http://www.kiasuparents.com/kiasu/forum/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=7176&start=400
welcome to the forum. i do find your words containing high level of sniggers and sarcasm which is not really healthy. Your high bias and sheer disdain for schs like Cedar, TKGS and VS (schs popular in the East) is glaringly obvious.
twilight's data is not unbelievable as you tout it to be.
Fr time in memorial, the media has always focuses on top scorers, whether it is PSLE or O lvl or A lvls. But as we know, top scorers is not all that matters. One has to look at the overall results of the cohort. Hence the overall performance of a school is not set by a few top scorers.
The top O lvl scorers for SNGS and Crescent for 2010 were mostly foreign scholars, who are sometimes 1 or 2 years older than the general cohort. Crescent had scholars fr china who took on chinese lit at O lvl which is really simple for them because they learnt all these stuff at pri sch lvl back in China.
Cedar's policy of 8 subjects is true. Not many pupils continue to take 3rd language because of heavy commitments. If you are familiar in this forum, you will know that many students drop 3rd language. The girls there are limited to 8 subjects, not because they can't take more or they are less academically inclined but rather it is the school's direction. Off hand from memory, a large % of them have a single digit L1R5 score. The sch does not need to change its policy to counter-proof allegations that her students are \"academic inapt\".
During the announcement of the new IP schools, it was no surprise that Cedar and VS were slated to start the IP programme first. Throng some of the old thread in this forum for proof.
Victoria Sch has been around since the late 1800s. Your lack of knowledge of its existence does not mean that you can cast the school in a negative light.
While it is fine to sing praises of one's favourite school, pls do not put down another school. Every school, whether IP or non-IP, has its own merits and forte. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter anymore if one has 10 or 9A1s, or come from a school which hails of top scorers or did IP or IB or o lvls. What matters is one's character. -
zeemimi:
While it is fine to sing praises of one's favourite school, pls do not put down another school. Every school, whether IP or non-IP :goodpost: , has its own merits and forte. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter anymore if one has 10 or 9A1s, or come from a school which hails of top scorers or did IP or IB or o lvls. What matters is one's character.
Well said! :goodpost: -
It was indeed true that SNGS and Cedar Girls were in a different league. But it was the past.
Cedar girls COP used to be 242-243, but it is 249-250 today. SNGS’s COP used to be 255-257 but it is 249-250 today. Still good school but popularity has changed due to other factors. -
VS has a reputation for producing all-rounded individuals who excel not only academically but also in sports/CCAs as well.
- The first pro-chancellor of NTU, Dr A Vijiaratnam, a govt scholar, is the only Singaporean who had represented Singapore in 4 sports.
- Teo Ser Luck, Minister of State, represented VS in football, cross-country, track and field, and table tennis.
- Tan Wearn How, PSC scholar and former Sportsboy of the Year, is the youngest person to helm a national sports association (S’pore Sailing Federation).
- Jeffrey Adam Lightfoot captained Singapore to a football bronze medal at the YOG. -
Illustrious names in Singapore football
The VS contribution to Singapore football has included Choo Seng Quee, who is the only person who have coached the national football teams of Singapore, Malaysia and Indonesia; Dolfattah, the 1930s football legend and former Singapore football captain;[23] Abdul Rahman, another Singapore captain who played in a record nine Malaya Cup finals for Singapore from 1933 to 1950;[24][25] and Charlie Chan, who played for Singapore in the Malaya Cup when he was still a 17-year-old at VS.[26][27] Other Malaya Cup and Malaysia Cup football stars include Sharif Madon, Wee Seng Pah, Yong Chong Fatt, Eric Paine, Ho Kwang Hock and Ronnie Liew. Football officials include former Football Association of Singapore chairman, Major Abbas Abu Amin, Dr Low Wing Kee, Dr Lau Teng Chuan and former national coach, Vincent Subramaniam. -
zeemimi:
Agree, respecting other schools is the pre-requisite for healthy discussions in this forum. But sadly, not all subscribe to this basic protocol.
While it is fine to sing praises of one's favourite school, pls do not put down another school. -
twilight:
Hm yes the top scorers have been Malaysians for the past 3 years. It's been reported in the Malaysian newspaper too..
But among the Top performing girls from SNGS were also many Singaporeans - other than the top girl, lah. -
phtthp:
your sister school SCGS girls and brother school Catholic High boys will join St Nick sisters and all study together for A level, university bound.
Don't know how SCGS can be considered a \"sister\" school to SNGS and CHS. So different in environment. *Haiz*. Strange marriage. -
I would choose St Nicholas for its SAP programme.
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St Nick new Principal come on board
http://www.edvantage.com.sg/edvantage/news/schoolnews/877352/Old_school_new_role.html
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