2009 GEP Screening And Selection

[ApronMama]

john.316:

Heard too. This year CHIJ St Nicholas P5 (main stream) 80% of them failed Eng paper 2. That sound very scrary right!!! Anyone would like to confirm this.

It seems like the English paper is going to be very tough for the future generation.

hi john.316,

In order that the CHIJ students will work very hard this holiday and do well in the national exam PSLE next year.

Offen we hear students comment PSLE English easy after the exam. However, if everyone workhard and average score is high in the population, their T-score may not be high even if a week student make improvement in his/her English result.

BTW, how did you know CHIJ English result so quickily, most school just had their English SA2 P2 yesterday. :?

[Full.010894Cream]

atutor2001:

1. About 50% of the gifted kids need DSA to enter the Top school
2. 20% of the gifted kids are just simply hardworking
3. Top 30% are really gifted - self motivated, good time management, ...

So when they casted the net and caught 100 fishes, only about 30 of the fishes are what they are looking for. Therefore, it is quite easy to train an above average kid to be selected for GEP.

I have to disagree on your above point 3. yes, there are some who will be more perfectly gufted than others. But that doesn't mean the rest are NOT 'really gufted'. Being able to work hard and get results is also a form of giftedness.

My guesstimation is that there's abt 10% of those who were selected thru extensive training (not necessarily hardworking in nature). Another 20% right up there in terms of grey cells and leadership/management quality.
The in-between 70% are a mixture of high-ability kids who are mainly good in both maths and science.

[vlim]

ApronMama:

Vlim and Rosie, do all GEP students sit for the same test/exam papers, having the same time schedule when they are not be from the same GEP primary school?

Oh yes. Primary gep are centrally controlled by moe. all gep students from the 9 gep schools took the same tests and exam at the same schedule. So if happen that any of the students was sick and need to take the test at a later date, the papers will not be issued out to those already taken till the sick students taken it.

[atutor2001]

keroppi:

...His language skill is poor to average.

I tried to look at the bigger picture. I know that DS' mathematical skills were several years ahead of his peers. By P1 his concept of fractions is already very solid ... by P3, he has learnt everything about algebra, Gauss theorem, Pythagoras theorem, Fibonacci series, etc by borrowing books from school library on his own - he also has a vast knowledge of history (also through reading) and science too.

I am glad we took the plunge. GEP is definitely a good programme. For the first time in his life, DS felt challenged and loved school.

Hi keroppi

Congratulation, despite the limitation in his language skill he is selected for GEP. It is a confirmation of his \"gifted talent\".

What is more heartening is that the system did not miss him in the selection process. Otherwise it will be a great loss.

Regards

[atutor2001]

Full.Cream:

....The in-between 70% are a mixture of high-ability kids who are mainly good in both maths and science....

Hi Full Cream

Those numbers are just my kay poh guess only.

However, the 50% that needs to DSA to Top school is pretty accurate because my kids ex-Pr School has GEP. I noted that generally, about half of the \"gifted\" cohort did not meet the entry point of the Top schools and actually went in through DSA.

The 20% figure on \"hardworking students\" is actually feedback from students of those schools. They generally don't appreciate this group of students. Maybe they don't feel that \"hardworking\" is a form of giftness. Maybe this group spend too much time studying and did not socialise.

Regards

[ApronMama]

atutor2001:

Full.Cream:

....The in-between 70% are a mixture of high-ability kids who are mainly good in both maths and science....

However, the 50% that needs to DSA to Top school is pretty accurate because my kids ex-Pr School has GEP. I noted that generally, about half of the \"gifted\" cohort did not meet the entry point of the Top schools and actually went in through DSA.

The 20% figure on \"hardworking students\" is actually feedback from students of those schools. They generally don't appreciate this group of students. Maybe they don't feel that \"hardworking\" is a form of giftness. Maybe this group spend too much time studying and did not socialise.

Regards

Those who work hard whether in GEP or non-GEP stream are usually girls.

[john.09525316]

BTW, how did you know CHIJ English result so quickily, most school just had their English SA2 P2 yesterday. :?[/quote]


Hi Apronmama,

CHIJ St Nicholas has completed their SA2 more than a week ago.
My friend daughter failed her Eng paper. Daughter said a lot of my friends failed too.

Cheer!

[Full.010894Cream]

ApronMama:

Those who work hard whether in GEP or non-GEP stream are usually girls.

girls tend to be more settled and matured when it comes to school. even my girl, who doesn't like to school work, will still complete all. She'll complain when we give her anything more than 'prescribed'. :lol:

[Fairy]

atutor2001:

Hi Full Cream

Those numbers are just my kay poh guess only.

However, the 50% that needs to DSA to Top school is pretty accurate because my kids ex-Pr School has GEP. I noted that generally, about half of the \"gifted\" cohort did not meet the entry point of the Top schools and actually went in through DSA.

The 20% figure on \"hardworking students\" is actually feedback from students of those schools. They generally don't appreciate this group of students. Maybe they don't feel that \"hardworking\" is a form of giftness. Maybe this group spend too much time studying and did not socialise.

Regards

May I know which pri sch are your kids from?...\" about half of the \"gifted\" cohort did not meet the entry point of the Top schools\" - wow, that's a lot....say, around 25 students?

In the past few years (except last year), eight out of the nine GEP schools have 2 classes of GEP students, ie. around 50 students. Only one school has 4 classes, ie. around 100 students, half of whom are from its existing P3 students. Most of them did very well and can meet the cut off point of top schools.

Not sure about the girls. The boys, definitely do not come accross as muggers to me. They play soccer almost everyday, during recess, after school, whenever there's a chance. There may be exception. Even then, I believe for those who are 'hardworking type', it is often always, the parents pushing them.

On the other hand, I know (friends' kids) of some mainstream students who are very hardworking (some are also pushed by their parents), very focus and went on to top their cohort in their respective neighbourhood schools and are in top IP schools now. I wonder if they are being appreciated in their schools.

Anyway, having kids in both streams, I do understand the sentiments at both sides of the camp.

[atutor2001]

Fairy:

May I know which pri sch are your kids from?...\" about half of the \"gifted\" cohort did not meet the entry point of the Top schools\" - wow, that's a lot....say, around 25 students? ....

..... eight out of the nine GEP schools have 2 classes of GEP students, ie. around 50 students. Only one school has 4 classes, ie. around 100 students, half of whom are from its existing P3 students. Most of them did very well and can meet the cut off point of top schools.....

Hi Fairy

During my kids' time, their school had only 2 GEP classes in each cohort. 20 students per class and that is 40 students in total.

It is definitely not a Pr school that can produce 2 classes of GEP on its own. Most of the GEPers came from other school. So I am not sure was my kids' school the other end of the GEP's schools and yours the front end.

However, I only know that generally, about half of them get less than 262 in their T-score.

Regards.

PS
Can share with us the percentage of GEPers with more than 262 T-score in general.