‘Unless we have more babies, we need to accept immigrants’

[limlim]

raysusan:

http://sg.news.yahoo.com/%E2%80%98unless-we-have-more-babies--we-need-to-accept-immigrants%E2%80%99.html

so the root of the problem...why birth rate declined? :slapshead:

I feel they should tweak the immigration policy a little.. since the objective is to grow Singaporean population.

For those new immigrates by their own merit (not sponsored by Singaporean spouse), they should be made compulsory to apply to convert to citizen within 2 years of getting PR if not the PR will be revoked and they can go back if they are not committed to grow root here.

For PR application, the same stringent checks for citizenship should apply, bcoz the PR is a pre-process for citizenship. Those not intending to apply for citizenship should not be allowed PR in the first place.

By doing this, then we can achieve the objective of growing Singaporean species by immigration policy.

Current policy is crap.. let in immigrants, give them PR, leech the system and complete with Singaporeans for limited resources, then, after a few years when they have gotten enuff, they just abandon this place and back to their hometown and enjoy the luxuries from the fortune they made there, at the expense of Singaporeans.




Next, restrict HDB policy so that at least one owner muz be a citizen.

So, PRs muz stay for 2 years, then 1 of them muz convert to citizen, then they are allowed to buy flats, whether resale or from HDB.

I do not disagree with them to make use of immigration policy to grow the population, but it must be done the right way and not a defective policy that resulted only in fattening foreigners at the expense of Singaporean and in the end, no real significant population growth.

Give PR when they are committed, not give them PR and hope that they will commit.

[chenwj]

It has to do with cost of living lah. Honestly, raise 1 is so costly already… Raise more? Tak bo leh tahan!


The major factor is housing. Those who bought HDB in the last 5 years might feel gutted.

[pinky]

what is the birth rate of PR and foreign citizens here ?

[janet88]

chenwj:

It has to do with cost of living lah. Honestly, raise 1 is so costly already... Raise more? Tak bo leh tahan!

Cost of living so high...food is expensive, medical costs expensive, transport costs always on the rise BUT salaries NOT going up.
Kids cost a LOT of money to raise...hospital bills, food, diapers to begin with. Then when it comes to SCHOOLING, tuition fees are SKY HIGH and tuition is not a luxury but a NEED.
Not just tuition fees, what about the stress ? Raise MORE, you gotta be kidding.

[krazy]

Declining birth rate?


even if Singaporeans give birth to 4 children now, it will still take a good 25 years before these children grow up and make themselves useful to society. Meanwhile what happens in these 25 years?

It is just nonsensical to point fingers at declining birth rates. The government wants these numbers immediately; not wait for 25 years.

We; some 25-35 years ago, when we were born; weren't our parents told to stop at 2?

[concern2]

I sometimes kpo and ask people when they plan to have the second one. Quite a number I have asked replied,\"Cannot. We tried, but just cannot\". Some married couples I know* also has this problem, and by the time they get to their 40s, they made up their minds not to try anymore in case of complications. IVF isn't cheap, and it also doesn't guarantee success, and it isn't something that everyone can afford. If you are telling this group of people to have babies, they also can't do anything, not that they don't want to.


If such issues are brought up time and time again, it just goes to show the leaders are out of ideas. So either we look for new leaders, and/or we look after ourselves, doing what's best given the current situation, and/or we contribute ideas if we have any. But of course, whether we get listened to is another issue.

*I mean to say some married couples without children.

[phankao]

concern2:

I sometimes kpo and ask people when they plan to have the second one. Quite a number I have asked replied,\"Cannot. We tried, but just cannot\". Some married couples I know also has this problem, and by the time they get to their 40s, they made up their minds not to try anymore in case of complications. IVF isn't cheap, and it also doesn't guarantee success, and it isn't something that everyone can afford. If you are telling this group of people to have babies, they also can't do anything, not that they don't want to.


If such issues are brought up time and time again, it just goes to show the leaders are out of ideas. So either we look for new leaders, and/or we look after ourselves, doing what's best given the current situation, and/or we contribute ideas if we have any. But of course, whether we get listened to is another issue.

Yah, if not natural, I wouldn't bother about going through all that to have kids. I always read about how very very very much some parents LOVE to have babies, and go all the way to get babies. Wah, then once they have a baby, even if they don't like the baby after all, they also won't dare say it, would they? After all their earlier declarations????? I mean, babies are ALOT of work, and even more work as they grow. Not instantly likeable, I'd say. only likeable if they are someone else's! Just *coo* and say *so cute* or *so sweet*, and then \"bye-bye\" when that baby is a stink.

[daisyt]

So far, couples I have heard of, one couple by the time they want, in mid 30s, cannot conceive. Two couples, married at early 30s, already decided not to have kid when married. One couple married at late 30s, give up because they feel they are considered too late.


2 couples already married but still living with their own parents seperately (weekend husband and wife). Reason, waiting for house which average take about 3 to 4 years.

[hquek]

Well, if we accept immigrants, it doesn’t mean they have more kids. Those that get pr or citizenship around me also have one kid. And then they bring their aged folks with themto take care of the kid.


So for that one child, we get extra 2 old people, 2 middle aged people. Ummm, like that how will the population stay young?

[Fairy]

limlim:

Current policy is crap.. let in immigrants, give them PR, leech the system and complete with Singaporeans for limited resources, then, after a few years when they have gotten enuff, they just abandon this place and back to their hometown and enjoy the luxuries from the fortune they made there, at the expense of Singaporeans.

I do not disagree with them to make use of immigration policy to grow the population, but it must be done the right way and not a defective policy that resulted only in fattening foreigners at the expense of Singaporean and in the end, no real significant population growth.

Give PR when they are committed, not give them PR and hope that they will commit.

I joined a locally listed firm recently and was very surprised that Singaporeans are a minority there. Almost 90 per cent of the staff are Malaysians, followed by China Chinese,Indonesian Chinese and Indians. I suspect there were unwritten rules to give priority in recruitment to Malaysians as their proportion in relation to the total number of staff in the organization is staggering. I understand the PRs also enjoy the same benefits (inclusive of Childcare leave and 4 months maternity leave) and compensation package. I wonder if such discriminating recruitment practice is legal in Singapore?