Child Underperforms Because Tested Above Cognitive Level

[Chenonceau]

doodbug:

I am not trying to defend MOE here, but perhaps they do need some help not just in identifying the problems with the system (it's easy to rant off a list of problems), but deep and concrete suggestions on how to improve the system. For example, I feel very strongly about testing within syllabus too, but if we were to advocate this for the PSLE, then there are other ramifications - there will be many high scoring kids and many kids will be differentiated on their carelessness and on trivial mistakes, instead of whether they are able to tackle the exams.


We want more flexibility in the system, more sharing within the system, but how to implement these?

Just some random thoughts.

At least show good faith by fixing textbooks and e-resources. No implications there but what is good. The textbooks are a disgrace. No one needs them to do everything at the same time. Do something and stop praising themselves as world class.

[doodbug]

Chenonceau:

Sun_2010:

No they aren't deaf. Just hard-of-hearing .
Low voices are drowned out as they are busy singing praises of being the best of best.
So we have to speak up.
And use the election as a microphone if needed. :evil:

To use the election as a microphone in 2016, we need to keep speaking up TODAY and for the next four years. Each, in our own capacity, we need to spread the word and explain what is wrong. In the meantime, if MOE does hear and does do something about our pain... good.

If not, enough people must know about this so that in 2016 we have a voice.

Come on. We are Mothers. Ours are the hands that rule the world because we rock the cradle.

Speak gently. Speak softly. Speak clearly. Speak with strength. Speak with dignity. Till 2016.

I am afraid, many of us, who are less verbose, and less determined, will succumb to accepting the system as it is, and expending whatever strength we have left to help our kids through the system.

I salute you though, Chenonceau :udawoman:

[corneyAmber]

Chenonceau:

doodbug:

I am not trying to defend MOE here, but perhaps they do need some help not just in identifying the problems with the system (it's easy to rant off a list of problems), but deep and concrete suggestions on how to improve the system. For example, I feel very strongly about testing within syllabus too, but if we were to advocate this for the PSLE, then there are other ramifications - there will be many high scoring kids and many kids will be differentiated on their carelessness and on trivial mistakes, instead of whether they are able to tackle the exams.


We want more flexibility in the system, more sharing within the system, but how to implement these?

Just some random thoughts.

At least show good faith by fixing textbooks and e-resources. No implications there but what is good. The textbooks are a disgrace. No one needs them to do everything at the same time. Do something and stop praising themselves as world class.

I think instead of fixing textbooks per se, put a list of relevant and good resources recommendation in the booklist and make it optional. Good resources also mean it comes with high cost (IIRC, there is a resource that cost $32) and then after that many parents will cry that education is so expensive and then it will kill the spirit of change again.

[Chenonceau]

doodbug:

I am afraid, many of us, who are less verbose, and less determined, will succumb to accepting the system as it is, and expending whatever strength we have left to help our kids through the system.

I salute you though, Chenonceau :udawoman:

Give us a chance. When gentle autumnbronze surfaces as her wintersteel alter ego, I wouldn't pick a fight with her. It doesn't take much. Just speak to people. Talk about it. Explain. Chat. Post your thoughts. Every one you talk to and convince is one more voice. Write in Facebook, those who know how.

[concern2]

Chenonceau:

kitty2:

[quote=\"Chenonceau\"]


THAT IS WHY WE MUST SPEAK UP!!

But they're DEAF!!!!

:rotflmao: :rotflmao: Aiyo... tak boleh tahan.[/quote] :rotflmao: :rotflmao: Ya lor, Chen, you said it yourself :siam:

[concern2]

Chenonceau:

If not, enough people must know about this so that in 2016 we have a voice.

Come on. We are Mothers. Ours are the hands that rule the world because we rock the cradle.

Speak gently. Speak softly. Speak clearly. Speak with strength. Speak with dignity. Till 2016.

:salute: :salute:

I do think the system has been thus for too long. It takes someone with guts and will, and a strong conviction that something has to be done - not just intelligence - to make changes. I don't think we'll see this in the next 5 years.

[doodbug]

concern2:

Chenonceau:

If not, enough people must know about this so that in 2016 we have a voice.

Come on. We are Mothers. Ours are the hands that rule the world because we rock the cradle.

Speak gently. Speak softly. Speak clearly. Speak with strength. Speak with dignity. Till 2016.

:salute: :salute:

I do think the system has been thus for too long. It takes someone with guts and will, and a strong conviction that something has to be done - not just intelligence - to make changes. I don't think we'll see this in the next 5 years.

I'm also pessimistic. Because overhauling the system involves killing too many sacred cows Fundamentally, I think the root of the problem likes with how much is at stake at the PSLE. Must the PSLE be such a deterministic examination? Unfortunately, it is. Because we have a clear hierarchy of secondary schools.

There is nothing wrong with the PSLE per se as a national examinations. It's how much it counts for that is causing the entire frenzy. Even with good textbooks and resources, if the PSLE is a streaming examination, it will still evoke stress and frenzy.

And because PSLE is so much of a streaming examination, it is a means by which our society is stratified. It streams, so it stratifies. And our kids are all banded into schools of students with similar capabilities, mindsets, interests. Hmm don't we learn alot more from diversity and the richness that diversity brings?

[buds]

Chenonceau:

buds:

I dunno abt other schools but the teachers in both schools my girls were/are in share resources with one another all the children benefit from it. They are the schools during my DD's registration phase which were the least popular... schools nobody wanted to be in.

Aaaaaaaaaaargh... we are back to talking about individual schools/trees again... *hyperventilate*

Never mind, my love... still love you. We dun have to agree to love each other :snuggles:

Alamak dahling.. I love u too n I do want really to support your cause n other good causes. The two schools I always lovingly mention n my frenz kids' schools (another 2) though not perfect cause still got bad apples...are almost problem free. Hence what I'm trying to say is honestly from the bottom of my heart that I cannot feel the same frustrations (yet) as yourself n many others. I do close one eye to small stuff tt I dun find worth sweating about but I do care if there are big things tt needs change.

As a school n moe itself are made up of many diff depts n many many people working the ground where to begin?

I do still hv chubs gg to school in six years time u noe n as with other worthy causes I do want to support yours.

I hope I'm better understood this time.

Sorry if I made you upset with the initial post. :imsorry:

[doodbug]

Chenonceau:

doodbug:

I am afraid, many of us, who are less verbose, and less determined, will succumb to accepting the system as it is, and expending whatever strength we have left to help our kids through the system.

I salute you though, Chenonceau :udawoman:

Give us a chance. When gentle autumnbronze surfaces as her wintersteel alter ego, I wouldn't pick a fight with her. It doesn't take much. Just speak to people. Talk about it. Explain. Chat. Post your thoughts. Every one you talk to and convince is one more voice. Write in Facebook, those who know how.

okay I am trying. I've erstwhile not said anything before today! As can be seen by my low count of posts. heheheh. Have to admit - am slightly inspired by your writing lah.

[Chenonceau]

buds:

Alamak dahling.. I love u too n I do want really to support your cause n other good causes. The two schools I always lovingly mention n my frenz kids' schools (another 2) though not perfect cause still got bad apples...are almost problem free. Hence what I'm trying to say is honestly from the bottom of my heart that I cannot feel the same frustrations (yet) as yourself n many others. I do close one eye to small stuff tt I dun find worth sweating about but I do care if there are big things tt needs change.

As a school n moe itself are made up of many diff depts n many many people working the ground where to begin?

I do still hv chubs gg to school in six years time u noe n as with other worthy causes I do want to support yours.

I hope I'm better understood this time.

Sorry if I made you upset with the initial post. :imsorry:

I wasn't upset lah... No need sorry lah... I was just tired of explaining... and well, I guessed as much that personal experience is what stands between us. Sob!

There will ever exist a gap neither of us can bridge. Sob! Sniff! Bawl! We can only blow kisses to each other across the wide chasm of misunderstanding. Sob! Sniff! Bawl!