MOE Relooking P1 registration - Too much priority to alumni
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laughingcat:
I am on the fence about previous siblings (2A2?). In a purist way, it should be removed too. But, if you have some old uniforms to recycle, I can see there is some merit, not a strong case, admittedly.
I am not getting you when you mentioned \"hereditary\" and your argument on this is vague. If your younger child is time to go into school where the older siblings have studied in the school before. Removing alumni means removing totally.....there should not be grey area in it. Then by all means ballot again....if can't get in then study in another school. No pass on and no herediary.....for the fairness.
Or are you just thinking about yourself? :evil:
No, no impact for me on either case. -
phtthp:
Hi phttp, It differs by schools. For the popular schools, alumni folks constitute a significant and GROWING proportion of the cohort. For the less popular schools, and new schools especially, Phase 2B and 2C constitute the bulk.when MOE make announcment -
the changes not just affect alumni 2A only, but also affect 2B (Parent Volunteers, Hokkien Clan, Church, Grassroot).
MOE is now studying the ENTIRE plan for ALL - not just to alumni only.
MOE look at the BIG OVERALL picture, not just zoom in at minute, small picture alumni folks only.
based on past statistics - alumni folks only constitute small figures each year. it is the 2B and 2C that constitute the bulk number.
2006 batch of kids won't be affected.
but 2007 and 2008 batches - hard to say. -
doodbug:
Doodbug, even from my historically rich school with big intake, the Phase 2A kids are less than the bulk in Phase 2B and 2C. In % terms, <10% of total intake.
Hi phttp, It differs by schools. For the popular schools, alumni folks constitute a significant and GROWING proportion of the cohort. For the less popular schools, and new schools especially, Phase 2B and 2C constitute the bulk.phtthp:
when MOE make announcment -
the changes not just affect alumni 2A only, but also affect 2B (Parent Volunteers, Hokkien Clan, Church, Grassroot).
MOE is now studying the ENTIRE plan for ALL - not just to alumni only.
MOE look at the BIG OVERALL picture, not just zoom in at minute, small picture alumni folks only.
based on past statistics - alumni folks only constitute small figures each year. it is the 2B and 2C that constitute the bulk number.
2006 batch of kids won't be affected.
but 2007 and 2008 batches - hard to say. -
3Boys:
Yes, that I agree…higher chance of success at balloting, maybe from 50% to 80%...but still for many determined parents, is 80% good enough? Probably not…so not sure if how/why it would make many parents REALLY happier if MOE removes the priority phases…Personally for my own case, it’s really ‘liang3 tou2 bu4 zhao2 ai4” (2 heads don’t touch land…)
Arguably there would be more spaces open to the 'public' (non alumni) for balloting?sean wife:
My thinking is that for a popular nearby school (which currently has a significant number of places taken up at 2A phase), even if this phase is removed, there is also almost 100% certainty that balloting is still required at Phase 2B or 2C based on distance right? So it is not a clear win benefit for those who stay near but no affiliations with the school. -
3Boys:
Anything against the principle of \"In the best education interest\" of the child.. is unfair.It's easy to say 'there is nothing fair in the world ' and leave things status quo. Ask yourself, what is more unfair?
What is best for the child? Not that his/her parents is from the grassroots or clans or church.. but distance definitely has significant impact.
If the parents move/shift house to stay near, it may seems \"unfair\" to some bcoz these pple got the money to do it. But.. this is a question of \"how they got there\" and whether this requires much consideration is another topic on \"fairness\".
The point is, they already got there. And, it is in the best interests of the child that he/she stays nearby.. that is the current consideration and that is what matters Now.
Personally, I am very glad that my kids studied in a nearby school. I'm going to train them to take public transport or walk depending on whether rain or shine. I also want them to have sufficient rest.
Those parents who send there kids to some faraway places.. Does your kid really likes it? do they have a choice? is it fair to them?
The kids can't make the choice.. so MOE makes the choice for them \"in their best interest\". I feel, this is fair. -
Doodbug, even from my historically rich school with big intake, the Phase 2A kids are less than the bulk in Phase 2B and 2C. In % terms, <10% of total intake.[/quote]
Hihi, please see the KSP statistics. For most of the popular schools, under the statistic "APP = Number of Applicants versus available places for that Phase", Phase 2A (which is largely alumni) takes up about 50% of places if not more of the remaining number of spots left after the sibling phase. -
sean wife:
Yes, that I agree…higher chance of success at balloting, maybe from 50% to 80%...but still for many determined parents, is 80% good enough? Probably not…so not sure if how/why it would make many parents REALLY happier if MOE removes the priority phases…Personally for my own case, it’s really ‘liang3 tou2 bu4 zhao2 ai4” (2 heads don’t touch land…)[/quote]Likewise, I think a mindset change by the parents will make them happier, not this external change.
Arguably there would be more spaces open to the 'public' (non alumni) for balloting?3Boys:
[quote=\"sean wife\"]
My thinking is that for a popular nearby school (which currently has a significant number of places taken up at 2A phase), even if this phase is removed, there is also almost 100% certainty that balloting is still required at Phase 2B or 2C based on distance right? So it is not a clear win benefit for those who stay near but no affiliations with the school. -
limlim:
If every parent shared your sentiments, it would be easy for MOE to decide how to proceed! However, many parents would trade distance off for a better school (real or perceived, there ARE primary schools that are doing better than others in various areas), or an alumni school for family tradition etc. Most parents I suspect, do not use see distance as the sole measure of 'what's best for the child'.
Anything against the principle of \"In the best education interest\" of the child.. is unfair.3Boys:
It's easy to say 'there is nothing fair in the world ' and leave things status quo. Ask yourself, what is more unfair?
What is best for the child? Not that his/her parents is from the grassroots or clans or church.. but distance definitely has significant impact.
If the parents move/shift house to stay near, it may seems \"unfair\" to some bcoz these pple got the money to do it. But.. this is a question of \"how they got there\" and whether this requires much consideration is another topic on \"fairness\".
The point is, they already got there. And, it is in the best interests of the child that he/she stays nearby.. that is the current consideration and that is what matters Now.
Personally, I am very glad that my kids studied in a nearby school. I'm going to train them to take public transport or walk depending on whether rain or shine. I also want them to have sufficient rest.
Those parents who send there kids to some faraway places.. Does your kid really likes it? do they have a choice? is it fair to them?
The kids can't make the choice.. so MOE makes the choice for them \"in their best interest\". I feel, this is fair. -
Distance to school is important. Getting into a good school in terms of environment and acedemic wise are equally important. I think most parents are in that mindset.
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laughingcat:
Distance to school is important. Getting into a good school in terms of environment and acedemic wise are equally important. I think most parents are in that mindset.
Agree. Hohoho. Wonder how MOE will marry all these different wants....
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