MOE Relooking P1 registration - Too much priority to alumni

[Cherubsy]

My opinion is Phase 2A1 doesn’t really have alot of applicants honestly. And whether to scrap it off or not (and then merge it with Phase 2A2 to become a Phase 2A only), it’s still about the same group of people we are looking at in the end (i.e. old boy/ gal).


If we request Phase 2A1 and 2A2 to do PV, the problem is whether schools needs so many PVs in the first place. If no, then might as well limit the no. of spaces in Phase 2A. But prob, say must keep at least 50% of total space for Phase 2B and 2C rather, and then the rest can be opened for Phase 2A1 and Phase 2A2 applications? So for the not so popular schools, alumni staying > 2km can still get it the school so long as it doesn’t jeopardise the chances of people staying near the school admitting into the school.

Also, the criteria for old boy/ gal can be reviewed too. Currently, my understanding is that so long as you have report book / PSLE cert, you will be eligible for Phase 2A2. That means, even if you studied only 1 year in the school you can be eligible for Phase 2A? I thought there should be a clearer and better definition of this old boy/ gal. Maybe, must study a min. no. of years, or specifically must grad i.e. taken PSLE from that school. Otherwise, those who studied in 2 schools during their pri. school days would have like 2 schools to ‘opt for’.

Just my 2-pence opinion…

[corneyAmber]

Cherubsy:

My opinion is Phase 2A1 doesn't really have alot of applicants honestly. And whether to scrap it off or not (and then merge it with Phase 2A2 to become a Phase 2A only), it's still about the same group of people we are looking at in the end (i.e. old boy/ gal).


If we request Phase 2A1 and 2A2 to do PV, the problem is whether schools needs so many PVs in the first place. If no, then might as well limit the no. of spaces in Phase 2A. But prob, say must keep at least 50% of total space for Phase 2B and 2C rather, and then the rest can be opened for Phase 2A1 and Phase 2A2 applications? So for the not so popular schools, alumni staying > 2km can still get it the school so long as it doesn't jeopardise the chances of people staying near the school admitting into the school.

Also, the criteria for old boy/ gal can be reviewed too. Currently, my understanding is that so long as you have report book / PSLE cert, you will be eligible for Phase 2A2. That means, even if you studied only 1 year in the school you can be eligible for Phase 2A? I thought there should be a clearer and better definition of this old boy/ gal. Maybe, must study a min. no. of years, or specifically must grad i.e. taken PSLE from that school. Otherwise, those who studied in 2 schools during their pri. school days would have like 2 schools to 'opt for'.

Just my 2-pence opinion..

I agree and especially the highlighted point is a good one to implement. Alumni should be the school they graduated from. And also the downward affiliation from secondary back to primary, to be consistent, it should be scrapped cos some schools have this and some do not, confusing and unnecessary. This also results in some people having 2 school choices and some have none.

[limlim]

doodbug:

limlim:

MOE's decision have to be based on the assumption that \"all schools are the same\".. :evil: :evil:

Har? Like that wait they just assign every child to a specific school nearby how?? :scratchhead:

Add a bit of freedom lah.. the parents decide, not the MOE.. but the \"priority\" system has to be based on what is deemed to be in the interest of the child..

[phtthp]

agree.


alumni are those that graduate from the school at end of P6, with a PSLE certificate. If you study there only for 1 year out of entire 6 long years primary school education without graduating from there - not even reach 20%, you're just a mere PASSER BY or ATTENDEE only. In reality, you are not a true blue alumni. The truth is that - you are already an alumni from the other school from which you finish your P6, and from whom you obtain your PSLE certificate, with the name of that school printed on the cert. You're already alumni of that school. You cannot be an alumni of two schools concurrently.

i believe MOE going to abolish the definition of this \"1 year\" stay soon, and re-define the actual correct true meaning behind the word \"alumni\" properly.

since they're going to make changes to 2A scheme, they'll also look into this definition.

[3Boys]

limlim:

3Boys:

Its unfair because its hereditary, and we have a public school system, notionally open to ALL Singaporeans, not a monarchy. I have made my statement previously about active vs non-active alumni.

Agree with 3b on this

:celebrate:

[Mdm Koh]

If all schools are not the same and well-known schools produce students with better grades, why are there students in the neighbourhood schools who can score above 250, 260 and even 280? :?

[Full.010894Cream]

ksi:

I agree and especially the highlighted point is a good one to implement. Alumni should be the school they graduated from. And also the downward affiliation from secondary back to primary, to be consistent, it should be scrapped cos some schools have this and some do not, confusing and unnecessary. This also results in some people having 2 school choices and some have none.

not sure if I read u correctly, but secondary-primary school affiliation is NOT applicable for P1 registration.

[nms1]

Mdm Koh:

If all schools are not the same and well-known schools produce students with better grades, why are there students in the neighbourhood schools who can score above 250, 260 and even 280? :?

There will always be students in \"good\" schools who do badly and students in \"not so good\" schools who do well. While the school and the teachers have an impact, the child's underlying intelligence, personality and interests as well as the family environment will also be factors in their success. You can put a child in a top school but if they are not naturally academically inclined and they have no parental support, they are still not going to be a top PSLE scorer.

[corneyAmber]

Full.Cream:

ksi:

I agree and especially the highlighted point is a good one to implement. Alumni should be the school they graduated from. And also the downward affiliation from secondary back to primary, to be consistent, it should be scrapped cos some schools have this and some do not, confusing and unnecessary. This also results in some people having 2 school choices and some have none.

not sure if I read u correctly, but secondary-primary school affiliation is NOT applicable for P1 registration.

It is applicable...my relative had 2 choices to put the kids. One was her primary and the other was her secondary which has a primary arm. In the end she placed them in the secondary-primary affiliated school because she wanted the primary-secondary affiliation for lesser stress. So simple and hassle free. I really don't mind personally but if this is deemed as unfair because some schools practise this backward affiliation, some don't, perhaps better to standardise.

[phankao]

Full.Cream:

ksi:

I agree and especially the highlighted point is a good one to implement. Alumni should be the school they graduated from. And also the downward affiliation from secondary back to primary, to be consistent, it should be scrapped cos some schools have this and some do not, confusing and unnecessary. This also results in some people having 2 school choices and some have none.

not sure if I read u correctly, but secondary-primary school affiliation is NOT applicable for P1 registration.

There are some full schools where the parents may not have studied in the primary school, but only in the secondary school, but the child is eligible to apply un Phase 2A for P1 registration. Full schools like SNGS, CHS.

I do not agree with scrapping the Alumni phase, but I do agree with refining it's definition. eg. if the parent had never studied in the primary school, the child is not eligible. That would make the pool of eligible applicants narrower and possibly more manageable. I'm not sure how they can refine the definition of those who studied only for a short while in the pri school. Some children change schools due to being offered GEP for instance, so would have been in 2 pri schools for 3 years each. They might complain if they really wanted to put their child in the pri school they 1st studied in bc it's near their parents who might be helping with the care of the child.

Maybe another way could be to have the Alumni take out his old school records / testimonials and show contribution. If that parent had been active in the school activities/CCA and was a key member of the CCA, prefect, won prizes for school, maybe can give extra chance for his child to be in? Bc quite likely this parent would be a supportive parent in school activities.