MOE should give P1 registration priority to SG kids?

[3Boys]

laughingcat:

3Boys:

What constitutes a 'New Citizen'? Or should we be upfront and call them second-class citizens....and do they get an income tax and GST discount for not being granted the same benefits?

As what you have pointed out earlier.....as quote \"The world is flat, may as well get used to it.\" :siam:

And what does that mean in this context.

Question again, where is the basis for creating a 2-tier citizenry, and what criterion do you use, in case I was not clear previously.

Mod, these few posts need to be in the other thread.

[caroline3sg]

3Boys:

laughingcat:

[quote=\"caroline3sg\"]


For new PR & New Citizen, they join the queue behind after all true blue Singaporeans which one forumer has mentioned.

EXACTLY! Even the sibling of PR & New Citizen also join the queue behind all true blue Singaporeans. No phase 1 for PR & New Citizen.

What constitutes a 'New Citizen'? Or should we be upfront and call them second-class citizens....and do they get an income tax and GST discount for not being granted the same benefits?[/quote]Be New Citizen for 15 yrs? 20 yrs? then can be of equal footing with true blue?

BTW, New Citizen's IC is pink? Maybe introduce other than pink & blue to differentiate pink first, new citizen 2nd & PR last?

New Citizen do not serve NS, do they? Why should they be granted some benefits like GST rebates / discount? Moreover healthcare do not have GST exemption, why should any purchases made by them eligible?

[3Boys]

caroline3sg:

3Boys:

What constitutes a 'New Citizen'? Or should we be upfront and call them second-class citizens....and do they get an income tax and GST discount for not being granted the same benefits?

Be New Citizen for 15 yrs? 20 yrs? then can be of equal footing with true blue?

BTW, New Citizen's IC is pink? Maybe introduce other than pink & blue to differentiate pink first, new citizen 2nd & PR last?

New Citizen do not serve NS, do they? Why should they be granted some benefits like GST rebates / discount? Moreover healthcare do not have GST exemption, why should any purchases made by them eligible?

I can't even begin to describe how appalled I am by the notion of this.

You all actually think this is reasonable??

Sorry, I am not continuing this conversation.

[limlim]

concern2:

limlim:

[quote=\"concern2\"]
:rotflmao: :rotflmao:

Wait a second - there's a giveaway - Chinese people don't say '等吸光这里的好处先'!!! That's how Singaporeans would say! BANG! BANG!

btw.. my post is 100% joking only..

not serious..

I know, limlim. :celebrate: (ok, take back my bullets)[/quote]I know you know..

Just put disclaimer first in case later someone might start a debate/argument with me for making up false allegations against their nationality....

[limlim]

laughingcat:

In my nephew's school, there was this FT grandmother marched to the school insisting that a particular local child to be punished by running around naked in the field for accidentally dirty her one and only precious grandson's shirt. Teacher rejected her and she staged a \"demonstration\" by lying on the road. Well this ugly sides just irks Singaporean.

Stomp stomp..........

[limlim]

Dad42:

All Singaporean goes to the best school in Singapore while the medicore school are for the PR and Foreigners. Is this the integration that we want? Six years later, the medicore schools produce top students while the 'top' school with all Singaprean slipping down the road.

isn't that a good outcome..? :evil: :evil: neighborhood school no longer being discriminated (in a way).....

ok.. this does not imply that I support that \"system\".. just a remark about the outcome..

[limlim]

3Boys:

You all actually think this is reasonable??

Sorry, I am not continuing this conversation.

invalid accusation + unjust generalization (red).

sorry, your resignation is hereby rejected.. :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:

[corneyAmber]

limlim:

Dad42:

All Singaporean goes to the best school in Singapore while the medicore school are for the PR and Foreigners. Is this the integration that we want? Six years later, the medicore schools produce top students while the 'top' school with all Singaprean slipping down the road.

isn't that a good outcome..? :evil: :evil: neighborhood school no longer being discriminated (in a way).....

ok.. this does not imply that I support that \"system\".. just a remark about the outcome..

This is an interesting observation. Deep down we recognise and acknowledge that the people given PR or foreigners status are usually the cream of crop that make it to Singapore, and inferring further that means they can contribute to Singapore immediately. Yet we do not feel that they deserve the same rights as us when it comes to P1 registration. Why? :? If they are free loaders, maybe then we should be concerned.

[concern2]

limlim:

concern2:

I know, limlim. :celebrate: (ok, take back my bullets)

I know you know..

Just put disclaimer first in case later someone might start a debate/argument with me for making up false allegations against their nationality....

Oh yes, you're right! Neither am I forgetting where my ancestors come from!

[concern2]

ksi:

He was responding to queries on the ministry's review of the Primary One registration framework.

....The ministry recently indicated that it is \"studying various options to improve\" the scheme.

Just thinking along this line (don't flame me ah).

WHO are actually making the queries? I mean, this system has been there for a long time, and suddenly it is being looked into. Secondly, 'improve' in what sense? It's not stated. We only assume that it is towards more fairness. (please correct me if I am wrong)

I could think of a few things that might be a trigger the consideration for change:

1) Change of Minister (of Education) - people hoping to see new Minster make changes.
2) The change in political sentiments - realize the need to listen more to people
3) The influx of foreigners who want a place in Singapore public school - they have too little chance of getting a place in the current system.

I want to talk about Point 3. Isn't it possible that the in the attempt to attract more immigrants into our country, our garmen need to make room for them in our society - giving them more chance into our schools being one of them?

There is a lot of talks among foreigners who, by the time their kids reach the age of formal schooling, are deciding whether to get their kids to study here or elsewhere.

Education has become one of the pull factors to retain these wealthy foreigners. Once they feel discriminated upon in the registration process, their chances of choosing to live in Singapore drops, and the opportunity to 'capture' this 'wealth' is lost to whichever country the foreigners move to.

Has it occurred to you that the queries could be from foreigners (rather than our own people), and that relooking into the registration is really to favor foreigners - to retain the rich?

See, Alumnis are naturally majority Singaporeans - right? Without these Alumnis, more spaces will be freed for all - Singaporeans or non-Singaporeans, right?
Yes, perhaps more Singaporeans will benefit from the change, but if distance is really going to be the key factor of consideration, then perhaps it suits the garmen - and foreigners more since, ultimately, property prices around the popular schools will go up and possibly, only the rich and wealthy will be able to afford. This, is going to worsen the divide, not narrowing it (divide here referring to the gap between the elite and the common people).

Though this thread has been split from the original one discussing Alumnis, I think it does have some relation in this sense - cos it is politically linked.

You are free to air your thoughts on this.

(BTW, I don't usually visit KSP at night or on weekends, so you don't need to respond to this immediately - just hope you'd give it some thought)