MOE Relooking P1 registration - Too much priority to alumni

[nlimm]

phankao:

mum_sugoku:

[quote=\"nlimm\"]
Same here don't comprehend this part.
From what I see , the best way for all top schools with overwhelming applicants to have all kids go through assessments( be even more stressful for parents ) but I will rather do so which is the fairest way then to argue here which phase shd go which phased shd combine. As personally I feel that phase 1 is usually the Phase that take up mOst seats so they shd set limit to this too

Am I right to assume that you have only 1 child?

I notice that the schools that have most seats taken up at Phase 1 are Co-Ed schools. Single-gender schools won't have quite much of that trend.[/quote]Oh for that I'm not sure as I don't really prefer single-gender sch

[nlimm]

vicki:

nlimm:

Ya like u said do limit phase 1 might while combined all & be fair to all & do balloting. So the same thought for us, limit phase 2A meanswhile combine all phases 1 to 2C & be fair to all.
Please do not just comment and suggest ideas that benefit your kids.

Again.. my friendly rebuttals... Hopefully no hard feelings...

Since i am communicating with you on this issue, i can only assume that your above last stt is directed to me.

You seem to imply that i am commenting n suggesting ideas that only benefit my kids... i totally DO NOT agree to your statement.

1) I am being practical here. And i am sure most parents here with more than one kid will attest to that. It makes no logical sense to end up with a situation that if you are a parent of many kids - you end up fetching and sending your kids to different schools (and spending more money) just because you end up 'suay'.

2) 2A is not related to a 'practical' solution unlike 1. Its a bloodline given right. Unless we have a monarchy system - i strongly feel that this should be categorised in the same capacity as 2B - limited spaces.

Let me clarify - i have 2a connections also and it is good to have 2a connections for my kids too (if they dont change the 2a system now) - but i still personally feel that it is one area that should be 'relooked at' because the current system is not that 'fair' when you compare it against the 2b.

So - if i were to be selfish and want total benefits to my kids - then my comment would have be \"NO CHANGES\". Cos my future generation n current kids would have benefited from the 'current' system.

Pardon me if I sound harsh haha as I am quite a direct pax.
Like what I replied. If u solely talk abt practical sense of view, could I ask u if ur kid is currently in a pri sch that's nearest to your home? If yes I have no comment but my 6 th sense tells me it's no.Then it be practical for u to just sign up ur children to the nearest sch ( even if now ur elder is in another sch). Base on mathematical calculation, u will save alot more change 2 sets of uniforms, some unused exercise BK n reused texts compared to the raising petrol price /bus fare
P/s: Note I'm not directing on u now just using u as an example:)

[nlimm]

Oppsgal:

nlimm:

I think so but it's inevitable if u put him in cc coz they have to cater to every kids. It's what happening to my boy now.As he yr-end baby I worried that he can't catch up with jan babies so I work parttime & taught him myself.When he's 17th mth(2009) hes attending classes with 24-36mths (2008)kids. Started this yr I put him into cc & the curriculum are what he had aldy learned & he started to get bored & always got complained from teachers that he ' strays' to N2-K2 classes. I am thinking if to withdraw him but most of the cc I checked out syllabus r similar. Quite a nos of my Frds' kids having same problem , maybe Mcys shd also look into cc's curriculum & improve fr there since nowsaday kids tend to be smarter too( abit off track here)

Could be kids are smarter nowadays, or could also be we parents are too worried till keep \"feeding\" information into our kids to get them to learn more. I too am home teaching my kid. Don't teach then if lack behind becomes our fault for not providing a good studying environment for our kid to learn?

Teach also our fault for causing our kid lost interest in class? :frustrated:

Guessed coz some mummies rather sacrify their career( quit/part timing) to build up their kids foundation since young & not from pri1 onwards. Or maybe coz of the techie gadget nowsaday or diff milk powder( note: I'm not fe any milk powder company haha)

Maybe cc/kindy shd come out with AEP= accelerated education program for kids who qualify & not just according to age.

[huanghou]

LOLMum:

:razz: :evil:

hee hee hee have a good weekend ok! :snuggles:

[huanghou]

dorisp:

huanghou:

It's a tongue in cheek comment on the word \"helper\" replacing \"volunteer\".

oops hope u r a gal... :nailbite:

[vicki]

nlimm:

Pardon me if I sound harsh haha as I am quite a direct pax.
Like what I replied. If u solely talk abt practical sense of view, could I ask u if ur kid is currently in a pri sch that's nearest to your home? If yes I have no comment but my 6 th sense tells me it's no.Then it be practical for u to just sign up ur children to the nearest sch ( even if now ur elder is in another sch). Base on mathematical calculation, u will save alot more change 2 sets of uniforms, some unused exercise BK n reused texts compared to the raising petrol price /bus fare
P/s: Note I'm not directing on u now just using u as an example:)

Its ok - i can take frankness n harshness - and here i go again too - albeit in a more straightforward tone. Hope you dont take it to heart.

I am fine taking myself as a example so the rest of this reply will be as such.

Firstly, What do you want to debate abt? Cost of sending kids to schools that are more than >2km OR limitation of spaces for p1 and/ or p2a.

You are currently debating oranges n apples now - 2 different issues and fruits - so obviously it wont make sense.

Using your above example:-

So what if i send my kid to a nearby school?

Based on your limitation of p1 suggestion - i still might end up with different schools for each kid isnt it? Then those extra cost that i mentioned WILL still be incurred wont it?

Worst - what happens if their ccas all clash on the same day? I would have to employ 3 maids to be stationed at different schools to pick each kid up?

Sorry - so what is your point in relation to limitaion of p1 and savings? Isnt it absoluately no savings at all??

Using your mathematical example: whatever schools i go to (starting base) - as long as subsequent kids dont end up in the same schools - it will always be an increase of cost... unless you tell me - the govt compensates me for the differential cost and also non-financial cost (logistical nightmare) for ending up in different schools - then fine - no 'loss' to me.

From our exchanages, you seem to come from a popular 2a bloodline school and hence is desperate to keep this 'benefit' within the family - understand your anxiety - but pls - take a step back and come down from the ivory tower abit - does this 'elitist' and 'bloodline' attidude make sense in this current SG context?

Btw - as i said - i have bloodline just as much as you do, only that i didnt use it cos i dont have a dd at the moment. Main difference between us - i guess i am willing to 'forego' this bloodline alittle (note: i said limit NOT completely eradicate) for something that makes more sense in current registration context.

Im wondering - maybe after your first kid get in via 2a liao then you might be able to appreciate why some of us feel that limiting p1 is a senseless suggestion....

Cheers...

[laughingcat]

IMO…it just doesn’t make sense to limit Phase 1. By doing limitation to Phase 1 will contradict the govt’s policy of having more children.


Also in terms of logistics, it just doesn’t make sense to parents with multiple children.

The same goes…do you think it is logical to send your children to multiple CC?

[blueblue]

I do agree that phase 1 should stay but it can be tweaked to such that only siblings of current students from P1-P5 are allowed to apply…it does not make sense to include P6 coz then they would be in sec sch by then…

[Lizzie]

tankee:

Lizzie:

Yes it's possible to move within days between the phase 2B and phase 2C. In 2010, a friend could not get her daughter to SNGS under phase 2B, sold her house (seems like turnaround for her condo is quite freq since its 1km within SNGS) and rented a place at BKT within 1 KM and got her daughter into RGPS under phase 2C without a breeze. Apparently, RGPS has lower density of residence (in terms of condos etc) , therefore, it's much easier to get in.


On the other hand, have a another friend who rented a place within 1 km of SNGS and moved out within days of getting a place there under phase 2C. So, at the end of the day, it's really luck of the draw.

not necessary to physically move within that few days between 2B & 2C. Just need to change the address on the NRIC.

however, we should never intentionally try to workaround the system. If we do and when we are caught, our child will be transfered out of the school and we may be publicly shamed (in the news). And false declaration of home address (to change in NRIC) is an offence chargable in court of law.

The recently reported MOE's move to relook into P1 registration is certainly laudable. I personally wish that they will tighten and relook into the process of enrollment in phase 1 where siblings get priority into the school especially when the first sibling got thru due to distance base under phase 2C. This is because there are just too many cases of people \"investing\" too much in the first born by renting near popular schools to increase chances of getting them in and then move away thereafter. Many I know, move away even before actual P1 starts once they manage to get a place for their first born, hence ensuring the future of the next generation. MOE should be more discerning to only allow siblings of first born (enrolled through phase 2C) who are STILL staying in the area. This will be fairer to genuine home owners who are still staying around the area and also fairer to all whether one can or cannot afford to rent around the area. This will also ensure the objective of distance based allocation is met i.e children should attend schools near home and not a phase that is abused by people. Anyway, I am saying this because I have managed to get my firstborn in based on the merit of owning a house near a popular school and will be staying vested at least until my 2nd one goes in. I have personally faced the stress on balloting even within 1 km under phase 2 C . By ensuring the tightening process of phase 1, we will actually \"spare\" the anxiety of potential parents who are thinking of renting a place (purely temporary occupants thereby competing with genuine home owners).

[limlim]

nlimm:

This is better then giving most seats to some phase 1 kids whose elder bro/sis got in using fake address( thru rental/relative/grandparent/Frds)

in that case the system shd be tweaked to address those cases rather than blanket block all sibling's priority.

for those using fake address, I agree that it should be dealt with.. maybe removing the priority for those fake cases.