MOE should give P1 registration priority to SG kids?

[vicki]

I’m wondering a little - but maybe abit ‘offtopic’ - so the result of popular schools like NYPS n HPPS - is it becos of the teachers or MOE biasness?


What happens if MOE totally switch the staff/ resources from these schools to less popular ones? Will the std of the unpopular school then go up?

[Baby_May_09]

huanghou:

Baby_May_09:

I think that the current situation of primary one registration is quite ridiculous. Even if you only want your kid to go to a better neighborhood school near your house, you have to do PV for a chance to ballot. Before I have any kids, I used to tell myself not to be so kiasu, don't need to do PV...

I used to think so too...not anymore...have since repented...hee hee :nailbite:

I used to think never mind my kid don't have to go to branded/top primary school just a not too bad school near my house. But looking at the current situation, I have to ask myself - since I am intending to do PV, should I try my luck at the top/ branded school instead of doing PV at a better neighborhood school which might not even guarantee me a place. Or do I really do nothing and let the government post me to a hopefully not so bad school. I think doing nothing is fine maybe 5 years ago, looking at current situation, PV is the norm and I think I cannot do nothing anymore unless the changes Govt come up with is good enough such that everyone (or most) don't have to do PV.

[znzyzyzx]

vicki:

I'm wondering a little - but maybe abit 'offtopic' - so the result of popular schools like NYPS n HPPS - is it becos of the teachers or MOE biasness?


What happens if MOE totally switch the staff/ resources from these schools to less popular ones? Will the std of the unpopular school then go up?

Actually it is bcos of the parents (ie, the kids family background). Those who bother to send their kids to these schools are either more well off or more highly educated, so they can either teach the kids themselves or send for tuition. Even if not not teaching themselves or go for tuition, the kids are also in a better off environment with more resources available.

[lim72]

Just make sure your kids are in the top three classes , sad to say, otherwise you are most likely left to your own device, even in top branded school. My friend’s dd is in this situation now.


She had made a bad decision as she is not highly educated, she can’t teach and she is not rich. Her dd is smart but not smart enough. I think if she studies in a normal school, she could be in the top three classes.

[verykiasu2010]

vicki:

I'm wondering a little - but maybe abit 'offtopic' - so the result of popular schools like NYPS n HPPS - is it becos of the teachers or MOE biasness?


What happens if MOE totally switch the staff/ resources from these schools to less popular ones? Will the std of the unpopular school then go up?

if you parachute a very capable teacher to a lowest ranked primary school with a one of a kind type crazy principal, it won't work magic, it is kamikaze

teachers (and for that matter, any employees) thrives well in a certain given environment

and that environment is made up of the following :

1. peer support (fellow teachers, fellow co-workers) - share resources, tips, help one another etc

2. support from bosses (principal, vp, HOD, etc) - clear headed leadership, let the teachers teach instead of doubling up as admin manager - continuously improving on teaching materials, buy the necessary resource; provide the supporting framework like good IT set up, database management software, providing conducive physical environment like nice lounges in staff area, organise staff functions, appreciation for teachers who have done well, give recognition to teachers and sharing of best practice among colleagues

3. parental support of kids, ensuring kids do their homework, revision etc, good alumni network to support school activities, good PTA support

4. motivated teachers who has the calling to be an educators, not a mercenary who switch to teaching from corporate life because of being unable to cope with the strive and stress of the corporate work place.....

you can rotate a staff but you can't uproot culture, sense of belonging, sense of family, and you can't replicate culture and \"environment\"....these are built over time.....and yes, back to the popular catch phrase ..... not all school are the same good

[Chenonceau]

verykiasu2010:

vicki:

I'm wondering a little - but maybe abit 'offtopic' - so the result of popular schools like NYPS n HPPS - is it becos of the teachers or MOE biasness?


What happens if MOE totally switch the staff/ resources from these schools to less popular ones? Will the std of the unpopular school then go up?

if you parachute a very capable teacher to a lowest ranked primary school with a one of a kind type crazy principal, it won't work magic, it is kamikaze

teachers (and for that matter, any employees) thrives well in a certain given environment

and that environment is made up of the following :

1. peer support (fellow teachers, fellow co-workers) - share resources, tips, help one another etc

2. support from bosses (principal, vp, HOD, etc) - clear headed leadership, let the teachers teach instead of doubling up as admin manager - continuously improving on teaching materials, buy the necessary resource; provide the supporting framework like good IT set up, database management software, providing conducive physical environment like nice lounges in staff area, organise staff functions, appreciation for teachers who have done well, give recognition to teachers and sharing of best practice among colleagues

3. parental support of kids, ensuring kids do their homework, revision etc, good alumni network to support school activities, good PTA support

4. motivated teachers who has the calling to be an educators, not a mercenary who switch to teaching from corporate life because of being unable to cope with the strive and stress of the corporate work place.....

you can rotate a staff but you can't uproot culture, sense of belonging, sense of family, and you can't replicate culture and \"environment\"....these are built over time.....and yes, back to the popular catch phrase ..... not all school are the same good

:goodpost: :goodpost: :goodpost: Spoke my mind exactly.

How do companies like Apple (technology driven) and more importantly, Hyatt Hotels (people driven) maintain a certain consistency of quality worldwide through soft power such as corporate culture? These 2 companies are present in different markets and yet globe trotters recognise a consistent level of service quality as well as intelligent adaptations to local needs.

If we gave schools like NYPS the chance to expand, would they be able to replicate themselves and seed the system with their culture?

[limlim]

I got the impression that they rotate the principles… how are they going to develop feeling for the schools like that…


My kids school principle just change… and the previous one didn’t even last a few years…

[verykiasu2010]

limlim:

I got the impression that they rotate the principles.. how are they going to develop feeling for the schools like that..


My kids school principle just change.. and the previous one didn't even last a few years..

they do rotate

but some principals will never be rotated to say mission schools or gov't aided schools because (if I am not wrong) the management board or clan association or church board must also agree with the candidates

will a Maha Bodhi principal ever become a CHIJ principal ?

a VP could be in the position for 5 to 7 years and the take over from the out-going principal to be come the P for another 5 to 7 years ..... so it is possible for a P to have been with the same school for 10 to 14 years .....there is continuity ... not impossible

[Chenonceau]

Rotating Principals is MOE’s way of ensuring consistency across the system. They control the schools through Principal rotation/selection. They also use KPIs and awards to control. These management mechanisms are insufficient to ensure quality consistency across the system.


It’s like McDonald’s leaving it to each country to source ingredients for burgers. The main ingredients need centralized procurement by HQ, but of course, customers in different countries can still enjoy specialized burgers and there are differences in menu from country to country. France has a wide selection of salads we don’t get here but the core menu of burgers is what makes McDonald’s what it is. Here we get McDonald’s Rice Burgers that France does not sell.

MOE should have an HQ team that writes good resources for all teachers in all schools. Subsidiary control is a matter of degree. Too much control is stifling and prevents local responsiveness. To little control results in large variations in quality delivered from school to school. That is what is happening in schools now.

The problem at MOE is not teachers, nor resources etc… it’s that MOE’s org design does not allow HQ to easily unify the schools in practices and resources or even to spread good practices fast. One MOE, different schools, as many different variations in content and quality.

[verykiasu2010]

MOE = McDonalds of Education


you can order any fries as long as it is fried fries