S'poreans to get priority for P1 places during balloting
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limlim:
so there is absolutely no dual citizenship
PRC don't, but SG does, before the child turns 21yo.
Apply PRC citizenship first, then apply Sg citizen.. ta-da.... dual citizenship.. :evil: :evil:
There are reports on this in the newspaper. PRC scholars holding dual PRC and SG citizenship.
But that fellow have to choose one when she turns 21yo.
upon reaching adult decision making age (some countries 18, some 21), the individual has to make a choice, choose one or the other. No two way about it. it is a temporary provision until the person has reached decision-making age
to claim that there is a dual citizenship (without qualifying it) is trying to mislead and inflame.
it is very well known singapore does not permit dual citizenship. it cannot be a unilateral thing that other countries allow SG citizenship while holding their own citizenship
Singapore citizenship rule makes it very clear that the SG citizenship will have to be renounced or revoked if the person is holding another citizenship -
snaw:
I'm a PR, with a daughter about to enter school next year. I think this change is pretty major, and will have an impact on PR's in Singapore and how they feel about being here.
<joetheSC>In case Mr Snaw has not realised, this (and recent as well as upcoming policies) where formulated after much deliberation, to have the maximum impact on non-SCs. If you are still wondering why that is the case, you may want to be \"a little bit more concerned\" with the recent developments esp. within the political scene, in Singapore. Its about time you did so, by the way, seeing how you have been here long enough to have acquired your (misguided) sense of entitlement.
I could easily send her to an international school, but I'd choose not to for several reasons - the primary one being I want my kids to integrate as much as possible, and I feel international schools have a tendency to produce kids who can be a little arrogant and 'entitled'. It's a common debate among expats, and there are always a significant minority who feel the same way I do.
<joetheSC>To this I say, please feel free to do so ie. send your daugther to international schools charging exhorbitant fees instead of your noble goal of \"intergration\". I am surprised that your decision has nothing to do with costs since most MNCs nowadays have been offering/converting previously lucrative (and obviously unsustainable) expat packages to \"local package\" for those here on long-term assignments.
I'll never go SC, why would I want to? I've no desire to give up my UK passport, and my wife would never give up her Aussie passport. If Singapore keeps forcing the issue with moves like this I'll leave, there are plenty of other countries which would value my skills and aren't quite as hostile as Singapore is starting to appear to be to foreign talent.
<joetheSC>Then why do you feel so strongly that you should be entitled to the same benefits (at least where schools are concerned) as SC? Would SCs with PR status get the same previledge in the UK or even Australia as what you already are getting even with this change? I am not too sure what valuable skills/talents you have, but I have no doubt that it can be easily replaced if you leave. On the other hand, outside of Singapore, can you can confidently say that you can find employment, say in the US, Europe given that they have unemployment rates of 10% and above. In Australia, outside of the mining/raw materials sector, the employment scene is terrible. And don't even get me started on the state of \"protectionism\" there. You can of course return to the UK. In any case, I doubt we will miss you very much.
Property will be impacted, those areas with good schools in the past had higher property prices for school reasons, now though there's no point when an SC 10KM away will have priority over you.
<joetheSC>Property prices will definitely be affected. But most SCs will not be complaining since most are owner-occupiers or young adults struggling to own their first property to start a new phase in their lives. The real impact will be on expats/speculators (like yourself?) who will have to liquidate when you (finally) leave Singapore
Schools will be impacted, as mentioned PR's will find it very difficult now to get into good schools. What this will mean for those schools, and the knock on effect on other schools remains to be seen, but clearly it's a game changer. Will some PR's leave because of it, absolutely - education of your kids is an essential part of most peoples lives, and one of the reasons people come to Singapore is because of the reputation of the schools. This move clearly changes that dynamic for PR's.
<joetheSC>Let me remind you that Singapore built its reputation for good schools providing great education from elementary level upwards (in stark contrast to the UK, US or Europe..again time to brush up on current affairs I think) BEFORE the influx of FTs like yourself. In any case, for FTs who leave ONLY because of this change in ruling, I doubt the contributions they can/have been making in other areas anyways. So, I guess its good riddance.
I understand where this move has come from, and the frustrations of SC's losing out to PR's for school places, I'd feel the same way. But as in all thinks in life there are consequences and while I'm not sure we know fully what these will be with this move, I'm certain there will be some fall out in the longer term not just for PR's but for Singapore in it's global reputation for foreign talent given the main reason most of us come here is as much about family as the financials.
<joetheSC>Yupe. Just as you seem to have thought through the consequences before posting your commentary, I am looking forward to the positive long-term outcome of the Singapore government's recent measures.
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JoetheSC, GREAT THUMBS UP! GREAT Rebuttal !
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I don't see the need to get personal with rebuttals...
Don't turn this to a SC against PR topic..
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from straits times...
[quote]Ms Jin Mei, 43, downgraded from a condominium to a Housing Board flat next to Tao Nan School five years ago, hoping that she could enrol her daughter in the brand-name primary school.However, the permanent resident from China, who has lived here for 12 years, soon realised that getting a place in Tao Nan would still be difficult. She decided to aim for CHIJ Katong Convent and Ngee Ann Primary, two other popular schools nearby...
China-born construction manager Li Yun Zhang, 41, moved to Marine Parade two years ago and started volunteering at Tao Nan School in order to boost his daughter's chances of getting a place there...
Mr Akash Agarwal, 35, an assistant vice-president in a foreign bank here, called the move 'disheartening' and 'drastic', as it comes around the time of registration. 'It would have been better if it was implemented next year. This doesn't leave us much time to evaluate other options,' said the Indian national, who lives in an HDB flat near the popular Rivervale Primary and Mee Toh schools...Mr Akash said he will try for the best among the local schools for his older daughter, who is entering Primary 1. But depending on the result, he may consider switching to an Indian international school here...
Madam Jin, a businesswoman in fashionwear, said enrolling in an international school is an option, but added that she did not rule out relocating for better education opportunities.[/quote]http://www.straitstimes.com/BreakingNews/Singapore/Story/STIStory_782094.html
[quote]Taiwanese Sandy Shih, 32, who is a PR here, said she was disappointed with the change, especially as she moved from a condominium in Bukit Timah to one in Siglap so that her son Henry, now four, could enrol into Tao Nan. Her home now is a five-minute walk from the school. 'I understand that the Government wants to put the interests of Singaporeans first,' said the businesswoman in Mandarin. 'There is nothing much I can do; maybe do more volunteer work or try to enrol my son at St Stephen's, which is also nearby.'...
Bishan resident and IT engineer Rakesh Menon, 42, who is from India and has a five-year-old daughter, said: 'We have no car. What if she can only get into a school in Jurong? Just because we are PRs doesn't mean we are not serious about staying here - we do want to stay and live here in the long term.'...
But training and development director Shweta Garg, a 32-year-old Indian national who moved to Marine Parade to give her six-year-old son a chance to get into schools there, said: 'A rule is a rule. There are always international schools. But I believe if he has the ability, he can study at a neighbourhood school and do well.'[/quote]http://www.straitstimes.com/PrimeNews/Story/STIStory_781742.html -
too much witch hunt mentality
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at the end of the day, there are still many who prefer a less stressful overseas uni education. whichever primary school came from become forgotten
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According to figures released by MOE, 10 per cent of students enrolled in our primary schools are PRs, while 4 per cent are foreigners.
http://www.straitstimes.com/BreakingNews/Singapore/Story/STIStory_782097.html -
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I don't see the need to get personal with rebuttals...
Don't turn this to a SC against PR topic..
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xiaostar:
some people put it as if 10% are citizens and 90% foreignersAccording to figures released by MOE, 10 per cent of students enrolled in our primary schools are PRs, while 4 per cent are foreigners.
http://www.straitstimes.com/BreakingNews/Singapore/Story/STIStory_782097.html
granted, there are some clustering around some HDB estates, and these are not 'popular' as in popular in its proper sense. These are forced situation because when HDB build so many households in one precinct they did not cater enough schools for it. HDB should shoulder part of the blame for this under-catered primary 1 places fiasco, especially those at HDB housing estates
as for those well established really popular schools, the supply and demand has been predictable year after year, and foreigners' numbers are not too many, and this new policy will not have great impact for SC seeking to register there
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