S'poreans to get priority for P1 places during balloting

[verykiasu2010]

Funz:

I thought only if one parent is an SC then the kid can be SC if not will be dependants or PR

that is correct

[verykiasu2010]

xiaostar:

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About PRs threatening to leave Singapore because of all these pressure - the govt doesn't feel threatened at all because you are not a voter. The government (and companies here) has lots of money to pay people with the right skills to work in Singapore should you leave. .

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sorry to tell you this : many companies are owned by foreigners too

[xiaostar]

verykiasu2010:

sorry to tell you this : many companies are owned by foreigners too

All I was trying to say was:

If he is a PR who can't get his kids into a good school, and he is that valuable to his company, he can just request that his company pay for international school fees or increase his paycheck so that he can afford international school fees. If his company isn't willing to pay for international school fees, then it shows that his skills aren't that valuable after all.

If he threaten to leave Singapore just because he can't get his kid into a good school, the company can just hire somebody else to replace him. (or do an internal transfer so that he can go back to his home country or wherever he can gain admission to good schools).

If he owns a business in Singapore and he threatens to close his business and leave because he can't get his kid into a good school, then I'm sure the govt has decided that the cost of losing such PRs is worth it in the bigger picture (of having other PRs convert to SC).

In short - SG govt is not threatened at all by PRs who want to leave just because of this (and other similar) policy. They have done their calculations and the benefits of making PRs convert to SC (in terms of votes & defence) far outweighs the loss of PRs who leave singapore. The big MNCs who bring in major investments to Singapore are not going to uproot their entire operations just because a handful of PRs don't want to stay here.

[MrsSeah]

I have many PR colleagues here, no one told me they want to resign because their kids cannot get into a good school. LOL!!! Most of them would put their kids to a non-popular school nearby their flat. Not all PR are AIMING for our "GOOD" school. But alot of my PR colleague is converting to SINGAPOREAN due to high rising cost of the childcare centre and housing. Alot make tough decision. I really kudo to them!!!

[limlim]

verykiasu2010:

sorry to tell you this : many companies are owned by foreigners too

companies don't uproot simply bcoz their kids cannot get in their desired primary sch.

They do when there is nothing to milk here.... :evil:

[snaw]

JoetheSC:

Daddy

I don't see the need to get personal with rebuttals...

Don't turn this to a SC against PR topic..
:celebrate:

First of all, let me clarify...THIS IS a SC against PR/FT topic.

I can't see how we can not make it so, when this is a discussion on a policy that clearly pits PRs/FTs' entitlements against SCs'.

I am equally offended by Mr Snaw's arrogance and sense of entitlement as those who were offended by my rebuttal, but my rebuttal was not meant to be \"personal\". Instead, it is meant to strongly REMIND the non-SCs in general (esp. those who don't \"Get it\"), that as much as we SCs welcome REAL (F)TALENTs to our motherland, they can NEVER and should NEVER expect to be granted equal entitlements/concessions in areas like primary/basic education and accommodation simply because unlike SCs, PRs/FTs were not born/raised/will raise a family/live/and die HERE. I am sure they would agree that the same holds true in reverse.

In simple unsavoury terms, FTs/PRs are transient migrants whose main focus is to enrich themselves first (as anyone would), in whichever land that offers the best opportunities/returns. All other benefits that the host (country) receives from FTs/PRs' \"contributions\" are incidental rather than primary to their decision to relocate (here). And I would expect that once the factors that were beneficial to PRs/FTs are taken away, they CAN and WILL relocate..as what Mr Snaw so clearly mentioned or even threatened, albeit mis-guidedely.

That is why Mr Snaw threatened \"I'll never go SC, why would I want to?...... If Singapore keeps forcing the issue with moves like this I'll leave\".

The SG government is FINALLY acknowledging that they had neglected its own citizens and the CONSEQUENCES have not been desirable, and hence, it looks like the main agenda going forward (at least until the next GE) is to win back the hearts of SCs...AT THE EXPENSE OF PRs/FTs.

So...get used to it..SCs, PRs and FTs alike

I think I may have missed something, not been keeping up with the thread just logged in and saw this. Why all the hostility?

I talked about arrogance and sense of entitlement as something I didn't want my kids to have by going to international school, so I'd prefer to go local. If that offends you then sorry I'd like my kids to integrate into Singapore society more, not less.

I never stated I should be granted equal entitlement, in fact I said I understand why SC's were frustrated. I never threatened to leave either, I pointed out why people like my wife and I come to Singapore - and it's not just money, I can earn as much or more in many other countries, it's a combination of factors with schooling being one of them.

If that dynamic changes then undoubtedly it impacts foreign talents desire to live in certain places. I probably didn't put that across as well as I could, but I'm not having a go at the decision, as I stated (And you seem to have missed or completely misunderstood) I'm simply saying big decisions like these have consequences.

Reading through this thread and I sense a lot of animosity to foreign workers. If you want people to become SC then I'm not sure hostility is a great base to start from, it's also not my general impression of people I meet here but I'm now starting to wonder if maybe it's what everyone is thinking. It's certainly a theme I'm picking up in the last year or so.

[xiaostar]

MrsSeah:

Most of them would put their kids to a non-popular school nearby their flat. Not all PR are AIMING for our \"GOOD\" school.

This is true. In fact if you go to \"expatsingapore\" and \"singaporeexpats\" forum, you will notice that many expats in those forum prefer to send their kids to neighbourhood schools and not the top schools.

[xiaostar]

snaw:

I talked about arrogance and sense of entitlement as something I didn't want my kids to have by going to international school, so I'd prefer to go local. If that offends you then sorry I'd like my kids to integrate into Singapore society more, not less.

PRs have no problem getting into local schools. The problem only occurs when they want their children to enter the popular schools. If you want your children to integrate with the locals, the less sought after neighbourhood schools will do just fine too.

snaw:

I'm simply saying big decisions like these have consequences.

Yeah, the government knows there are consequences and they have calculated that the \"price\" of these consequences are worth it.

snaw:

Reading through this thread and I sense a lot of animosity to foreign workers.

Well, I guess in this aspect, we're no different from other countries. Animosity towards foreign workers isn't something unique to Singapore isn't it? The americans against the mexicans. The british against the eastern europeans. The australians against asians. The europeans against africans.

[verykiasu2010]

snaw:

JoetheSC:

[quote=\"Daddy D\"]I don't see the need to get personal with rebuttals...

Don't turn this to a SC against PR topic..
:celebrate:

First of all, let me clarify...THIS IS a SC against PR/FT topic.

I can't see how we can not make it so, when this is a discussion on a policy that clearly pits PRs/FTs' entitlements against SCs'.

I am equally offended by Mr Snaw's arrogance and sense of entitlement as those who were offended by my rebuttal, but my rebuttal was not meant to be \"personal\". Instead, it is meant to strongly REMIND the non-SCs in general (esp. those who don't \"Get it\"), that as much as we SCs welcome REAL (F)TALENTs to our motherland, they can NEVER and should NEVER expect to be granted equal entitlements/concessions in areas like primary/basic education and accommodation simply because unlike SCs, PRs/FTs were not born/raised/will raise a family/live/and die HERE. I am sure they would agree that the same holds true in reverse.

In simple unsavoury terms, FTs/PRs are transient migrants whose main focus is to enrich themselves first (as anyone would), in whichever land that offers the best opportunities/returns. All other benefits that the host (country) receives from FTs/PRs' \"contributions\" are incidental rather than primary to their decision to relocate (here). And I would expect that once the factors that were beneficial to PRs/FTs are taken away, they CAN and WILL relocate..as what Mr Snaw so clearly mentioned or even threatened, albeit mis-guidedely.

That is why Mr Snaw threatened \"I'll never go SC, why would I want to?...... If Singapore keeps forcing the issue with moves like this I'll leave\".

The SG government is FINALLY acknowledging that they had neglected its own citizens and the CONSEQUENCES have not been desirable, and hence, it looks like the main agenda going forward (at least until the next GE) is to win back the hearts of SCs...AT THE EXPENSE OF PRs/FTs.

So...get used to it..SCs, PRs and FTs alike

I think I may have missed something, not been keeping up with the thread just logged in and saw this. Why all the hostility?

I talked about arrogance and sense of entitlement as something I didn't want my kids to have by going to international school, so I'd prefer to go local. If that offends you then sorry I'd like my kids to integrate into Singapore society more, not less.

I never stated I should be granted equal entitlement, in fact I said I understand why SC's were frustrated. I never threatened to leave either, I pointed out why people like my wife and I come to Singapore - and it's not just money, I can earn as much or more in many other countries, it's a combination of factors with schooling being one of them.

If that dynamic changes then undoubtedly it impacts foreign talents desire to live in certain places. I probably didn't put that across as well as I could, but I'm not having a go at the decision, as I stated (And you seem to have missed or completely misunderstood) I'm simply saying big decisions like these have consequences.

Reading through this thread and I sense a lot of animosity to foreign workers. If you want people to become SC then I'm not sure hostility is a great base to start from, it's also not my general impression of people I meet here but I'm now starting to wonder if maybe it's what everyone is thinking. It's certainly a theme I'm picking up in the last year or so.[/quote]anonymous ranting and showing anti-foreigner writings is a sure way to fire up support in a hot button issue like education. it is also reflective of .......(better not say .... :siam: :siam: )

just like years ago when they did not realise the unintended consequential reality of Maersk Line leaving PSA ...... lol, and chill, every body

[blessed777]

:peekaboo: oops.. the topic change oredy :siam: