MOE Relooking P1 registration - Too much priority to alumni
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dorisp:
Many of the argument against distance priority is that it favors the rich.. bcoz the rich will snap up properties near popular schools for a non-guaranteed place.. (which, at this point, is more like speculation)
A question to policy makers would be: is this \"contribution\" from, \"recognition\" for alumni, active or non active, so great that it is ok for this school to admit alumni who stay 15km away and very soon, because the alumni numbers are not capped, these schools are made out of bound for any single non alumni who stay the very next block?
But, in reality, most likely only the rich alumni will travel 15km to get their kids to sch.. So, alumni priority actually favors the rich even more. (we can set a poll to see how many rich give up their alumni place of popular sch vs the poor alumni who give up the place of popular schools :evil: I guess it will be like 0:10 ? )
So, if we want more welfare for the average SC.. and not favor the rich too much..
Alumni should really be limited/restricted.. -
limlim:
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Did you read my post in full?scotia:
I totally disagree with what u wrote!
If moe removes all connections and other phases, just go by distant n sibling. in d long run average Singapore will suffer too! All rich parents will have d means to buy within 1km of branded, so welfare of the rich kids are well taken care of!
After 5 yrs of staying there, they can sell their flat at even higher pricing, becos the next rich Singaporean parents will take over. In 10 yrs time, average singaporean will not be afford to move near 1km of all this branded school.
Now, u can see average Singaporean staying near this area, is also becos they r different phases for P1 registration. Once u removes them, I m sure that so call 'kiasu' parents will pay their way to get with the 1km mark!
Who loose out in d long run? Poor and average Singaporean' children, no welfare for them anymore.
All kiasu parent will pay their way to get within 1km? All those with no schooling kids will sell their flat?
Do you have data or statistics to show?
I repeat here again.. if, there's a flat for sale, at 20% above market rate for similar flat. It is within 1km of a very popular school whereby every year the SC there needs to ballot for a place. Successful rate is approx 50%.
Will you pay the 20% premium for a non-guaranteed place? Will you? Will all kiasu parent do that? I highly doubt so.
Will the rich give up the luxury of a big bungalow to squeeze into a HDB to have a try at the non-guaranteed place?
If, the flats cannot guarantee a place, will it still command a 20% premium?
Will it rise to 100% premium and squeeze poor Singaporean out of the picture? I guess some of the worry is really too far stretched.
Plus, let's consider the average income families.. if they are the alumni of a popular school but they stay very far away. WILL they go for the alumni sch? if they don't have car, no maids, both working.. will they? We have seen from this forum, that some do NOT. they choose a nearby school.
I guess, alumni priority with no distance consideration favors the rich even more!
Rich alumni hog the place of popular schools.
Poor alumni give up their priority bcoz they stay too far. They simply can't afford to travel.
Poor SC staying <1km squeezed out of the picture bcoz significant portion of places taken by rich alumni >2km.
So how? poor and average SC, no welfare for them!
PS: I hv no data.. you speculate I also speculate.. anyhow whack.. :evil:
I enjoy reading your post. Very sincere in your discussion and didn't give names such as \"sour grapes\" to those who didn't agree with you. :evil: -
dorisp:
Aiyoh! Please lah, look at the MOE website again leh. There is cap on phase 2A lah. Both of you are wrong lah. Don't anyhow give wrong info leh.
:goodpost:wayne lai:
Alumni is prioritized before grassroots/PV without any cap.
In future, there may be a situation (e.g. dragon year applicants) where the alumni takes up ALL the remaining spaces in a popular school. There will not be any spaces allocated for anyone else, regardless whether you are SC, PV, grassroots, or stay within 1km!
This intake will be siblings and alumni. Period.
Bring the grassroots/PV argument in ONLY after we have imposed an alumni CAP. We should continue to focus on old boys/girls until MOE has done something about this....
Like I mentioned before, there used to be a cap at NYPS for dragon year babies. They cap for families with 3 children onwards when the applicants exceed vacancy. -
so it's not 'sour grapes'? Check out the prices of properties near all the good/popular schools - that would tell u if there is a premium or not. It has also been reported before that people will pay a premium to be near a good school. That is statistics you can easily retrieve. it all comes back to the point of the problem 'good school' or not.
The point is different groups of people have different vested interest. To be really, really fair, then scrap all the phases.dorisp:
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I enjoy reading your post. Very sincere in your discussion and didn't give names such as \"sour grapes\" to those who didn't agree with you. :evil: -
I was told I am sitting on a gold mine several times…my flat is walking distance to Pei Hwa. Even though my son is going to Sec 1 next year, I do not see the possibility of selling my flat.
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absolut_vodka:
Am only keen to discuss the topic and issues involved. I agree that others may disagree. It is more well respected that way.so it's not 'sour grapes'? Check out the prices of properties near all the good/popular schools - that would tell u if there is a premium or not. It has also been reported before that people will pay a premium to be near a good school. That is statistics you can easily retrieve. it all comes back to the point of the problem 'good school' or not.
The point is different groups of people have different vested interest. To be really, really fair, then scrap all the phases.dorisp:
:goodpost:
I enjoy reading your post. Very sincere in your discussion and didn't give names such as \"sour grapes\" to those who didn't agree with you. :evil:
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laughingcat:
Aiyoh! Please lah, look at the MOE website again leh. There is cap on phase 2A lah. Both of you are wrong lah. Don't anyhow give wrong info leh.
:goodpost:dorisp:
[quote=\"wayne lai\"]Alumni is prioritized before grassroots/PV without any cap.
In future, there may be a situation (e.g. dragon year applicants) where the alumni takes up ALL the remaining spaces in a popular school. There will not be any spaces allocated for anyone else, regardless whether you are SC, PV, grassroots, or stay within 1km!
This intake will be siblings and alumni. Period.
Bring the grassroots/PV argument in ONLY after we have imposed an alumni CAP. We should continue to focus on old boys/girls until MOE has done something about this....
Like I mentioned before, there used to be a cap at NYPS for dragon year babies. They cap for families with 3 children onwards when the applicants exceed vacancy.[/quote] :? Sorry loh if I wrong number, P2A got cap? Would someone please help clarify? :roll: -
dorisp:
:? Sorry loh if I wrong number, P2A got cap? Would someone please help clarify? :roll:
Jialat lah........read here lah as quoted from the MOE website eh \"Should the number of applications exceed the number of vacancies for Phase 2A to 2C Supplementary, places will be balloted according to the home-school distance category in the following order of priority.\" :pokeeye: you need spectacles liao lah :evil:
That is why there are both registration date and announcement date for phase 2A to 2C sup. -
laughingcat:
I hope u mean this as a joke. If the abv situation happens, that will mean NO MORE spaces at all for 2B n 2C!dorisp:
:? Sorry loh if I wrong number, P2A got cap? Would someone please help clarify? :roll:
Jialat lah........read here lah as quoted from the MOE website eh \"Should the number of applications exceed the number of vacancies for Phase 2A to 2C Supplementary, places will be balloted according to the home-school distance category in the following order of priority.\" :pokeeye: you need spectacles liao lah :evil:
That is why there are both registration date and announcement date for phase 2A to 2C sup.
Which is why I strongly feel that it should be limited.
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