MOE Relooking P1 registration - Too much priority to alumni

[verykiasu2010]

not every one wants the nearest school


more like every one wants the most popular school

and will move to become the nearest to the school

孟母三迁

[verykiasu2010]

vratenza:

as mentioned in my reply to another poster, whether you pay tax or not is inconsequential compared to the fact that you are SC. Do not bring paying tax into the discussion to fan the flame.
Foreigners, workpass holders, PRs all pay tax....the underpriviledged SC do not pay tax...so what say you?

that is true

[3Boys]

vratenza:

----> I will not have guaranteed space for my son in any of the 3 choices anymore. Alumni priority is not my birth right, but I earned it by gaining entry into CHS on my own capability and I should have the distinct priority in letting my son return to my alma mater. If I decide for whatever reason that I do not want my son to go back to CHS, the space can then be released to anyone else interested.

That is severely flawed logic, and unfortunately, you are not the only one to be deluded by it. Absolutely not.

You are the CEO of the company, you have outperformed your predecessors by a long mile, turned the company around.

Your son deserving of a seat on the board by dint of your efforts?

Not unless you own the company (or in this case, the school). The school does not belong to you, it belongs to Singaporeans. You contributed a lot? Thank you, so did the teachers, the principal, the school cleaner. I don't think the old school teacher who contributed 20 years of his life to building the school's math department has a priority admission for his son, does he? Why should it be different for alumni?

[3Boys]

vratenza:

3Boys:

[quote=\"vratenza\"]
the ABSOLUTE PRIORITY at this point in time are the P1. there is no Absolute priority for P2 at this stage...you can argue till the cows come home on the CAP vs no CAP issue, that's not my fight.

And the list I proposed are just reasons why some parents prefer to choose their alumni for their children. Please read the post carefully and refrain from altering my intentions.

Please do not start stirring the hornet's nest on taxpayer money argument. Some one will come along and ask you which tax bracket are you paying this year.....do you really want to go there?

So some parent's preference is sufficient to become a priority then?

Bill Gates did a great job for Microsoft, he loves the place, they love him = His son has a straight shot to the CEO position then?

Just because one had a rollicking time at one's old school, and one PREFERS that his child attends that school, DOES NOT mean that priority should then be granted.

It is a public school system, paid for in taxes by ALL Singaporeans, why should one set of children have priority over another, on the basis of, yes, I say again, SENTIMENT.

once again do not re-interpret my intentions. I am just explaining some reasons that parents have to prefer to send their children back to their alumnus.....I did not say they are accorded the priority based on these reasons.... :slapshead:

If one singaporean PREFERS to have his child study in a popular school, he bought a property <1km paying a premium for this proximity to increase his chance of entering the school. Now we are dealing with 1) Personal PREFERENCE and 2) Financial clout. And if you add PV to the mix, 3) luxury of time

as mentioned in my reply to another poster, whether you pay tax or not is inconsequential compared to the fact that you are SC. Do not bring paying tax into the discussion to fan the flame.
Foreigners, workpass holders, PRs all pay tax....the underpriviledged SC do not pay tax...so what say you?[/quote]Alright, remove taxes from the discussion then. How does the picture change, if at all? Singapore schools belong to Singaporeans at large, no? Or are some Singaporeans more equal than others when its comes to school admissions? On what basis? Sentiment? Past glories?

And if you have not been saying that alumni SHOULD get priority admission for their children, then what have you been saying?

[vratenza]

3Boys:

vratenza:

[quote=\"vicki\"]so i dont see why 'too much' benefit should be given to anyone group based on personal reasons...

I want to send my child to the nearest school so that he can sleep more and wake up later.

I want to send my child to the nearest school so that don't have to pay the increasing school bus fee.

I want my child to enter this school so that my parents can look after him while I am at work.

I want to my child to enter this school because his tuition center or enrichment class will be nearby and walk over immediately after school.

Any of these are not PERSONAL reasons?

But none of those grant hereditary perpetaul PRIORITY, geddit? There are good reasons to prioritize on distance, and in some cases those poor folk who happen to live near a school are displaced because alumni have come in to grab the slots, and they are forced to do long commutes.[/quote]yup I geddit.
That's why the clamouring to get into the right school.

Really poor folks who are displaced I really feel sorry for them.

MP's letter at MPS will sort out most of these issues.

But those are minority (I can't prove it with statistics and neither can you).

Majority are fighting to get into popular schools because they are popular and they have invested in buying a property that is in close proximity to improve their chances. Look at all the news paper reports and interviews on the disgruntled \"property near good schools\" investor.

[dorisp]

verykiasu2010:

I don't contradict

Reduction of places is the main problem for those schools that run out of places after the alumni phase. If not for the push for single session and to reduce class size to 30, the schools could have been able to take in more. In the case of NYPS, even it was reduced from 420 to 390, they don't run out of places after alumni phase, in some years balloting only needed for those outside of 2km. If you read my earlier posts, I suggested that those sleeping alumni should be in phase 2C with the open category

Even if the intake is raised to 1,000, presumably able to satisfy all imaginary alumni, and even all PV, there still won't be enough places, popularity is also another issue -- some die hard parents die die want to send their kids to those popular schools. Some schools had lots of alumni, but not as popular as others

I understand where you are coming from.

But IMO, the discussion here is not to find out why some schools have fewer places left after P2A (due to single session and/or reduce intake) or why some parents die die want certain schools......(preference for popular schools).

The main point of our discussion is, \"...are we giving too much priority to alumni....\". (see title of this thread).

[vicki]

verykiasu2010:

vratenza:

as mentioned in my reply to another poster, whether you pay tax or not is inconsequential compared to the fact that you are SC. Do not bring paying tax into the discussion to fan the flame.
Foreigners, workpass holders, PRs all pay tax....the underpriviledged SC do not pay tax...so what say you?

that is true

Aiyo....

The term paying 'tax' was used to imply that both you n i are contributors to the funding of ALL govt schools to the best of our ability.

If you insist on taking the 'tax' meaning as 'you pay more tax' 'you get more benefits' - then i got nothing to say except that then why bother looking at each person's tax brackets - just pay for entry into the schools can liao... Isnt it simpler? :slapshead: :stupid:

[vratenza]

3Boys:

vratenza:

----> I will not have guaranteed space for my son in any of the 3 choices anymore. Alumni priority is not my birth right, but I earned it by gaining entry into CHS on my own capability and I should have the distinct priority in letting my son return to my alma mater. If I decide for whatever reason that I do not want my son to go back to CHS, the space can then be released to anyone else interested.

Not unless you own the company (or in this case, the school). The school does not belong to you, it belongs to Singaporeans. You contributed a lot? Thank you, so did the teachers, the principal, the school cleaner. I don't think the old school teacher who contributed 20 years of his life to building the school's math department has a priority admission for his son, does he? Why should it be different for alumni?

While in his sexually productive yrs (20-40), the school teacher would have priority admission for his 7yr old son under P1. if he decides to have a child at 70 yrs old, I applaud his will and spermatozoa.

School cleaners get P1 priority too. I know of one real life example from St Nicks.

[3Boys]

verykiasu2010:

If you read my earlier posts, I suggested that those sleeping alumni should be in phase 2C with the open category

Alright, I missed that. But I stand by my point that its not the number of places that is the issue by the number of 'special' entry categories that causes unfairness.

[vicki]

:scratchhead:

vratenza:

3Boys:

[quote=\"vratenza\"]
----> I will not have guaranteed space for my son in any of the 3 choices anymore. Alumni priority is not my birth right, but I earned it by gaining entry into CHS on my own capability and I should have the distinct priority in letting my son return to my alma mater. If I decide for whatever reason that I do not want my son to go back to CHS, the space can then be released to anyone else interested.

Not unless you own the company (or in this case, the school). The school does not belong to you, it belongs to Singaporeans. You contributed a lot? Thank you, so did the teachers, the principal, the school cleaner. I don't think the old school teacher who contributed 20 years of his life to building the school's math department has a priority admission for his son, does he? Why should it be different for alumni?

While in his sexually productive yrs (20-40), the school teacher would have priority admission for his 7yr old son under P1. if he decides to have a child at 70 yrs old, I applaud his will and spermatozoa.

School cleaners get P1 priority too. I know of one real life example from St Nicks.[/quote]3Boys - an interesting thought.

I also wonder why? As in the offspring of the other contributors (ex teachers/ cleaners/ admin staff) are not part of 2A but the students are.

Do 'alumni' admit such pple? Or must it only be ex-students? - Now i am wondering. :scratchhead: