Singapore for Singaporeans?
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What's a throne room? :scratchhead:
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Is where the crown jewels are? :idea:
Just sitting?
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3Boys:
and to recognise that the competition is global, and they should think global too
Just because we choose to exclude foreigners does not mean we will suddenly become prosperous. Potentially we will just be Singaporeans competing with each other within an increasingly uncompetitive economy. The well-off and well-educated will just decamp, the middle and lower classes will suffer the most. That would be the worst scenario for our children. We don't teach our children to be selfish and cold, we teach them to be lean, and diligent, and ambitious, and confident, and kind, and open hearted.Always21:
My worry is my children future. All good jobs might be taken by them. They are cheaper, driven by wealth and success. Willing to do more and paid less. So do we teach our kids to be like them, selfish and cold.
I am really lost with words. I really want the old Singapore.
Like it or not, foreign participation in our economy is critical for continued growth. Even economic behemoths like the US and China cannot afford to exclude foreign workers, let alone Singapore.
think about the story of NASA spending million$$ in R&D for a ball pen to write in space while the Russians just use a pencil
what kind of paradigm are we in ? -
buds:
ssshhhh, is open air, got wifiWhat's a throne room? :scratchhead:
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buds:
Indeed buds, resilience. I fear for my kids facing up to global competition........but not facing up to it and sticking our heads in the sand will be far worse.Add resilience to that, 3Boys bro! :celebrate:
Being able to withstand any adversities and still come out strong.
It will pave for never say die attitude that whatever comes I'm still standing.
Indirectly, children will not be overwhelmed by challenges of any kind .....come wat may. -
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Thanks chief, great one.
As to the comments on closing our doors to foreigners, on education. Thing is, we are talking about public education. Is there any country that makes it so easy for non-citizens to go to their public school? I’m not sure. Opening up to competition is one thing, but we are talking about national education here. Shouldn’t citizens have first bite?
On jobs. Singaporeans perceived as over paid, not willing to work hard? well it sure will be tough to clock in 12/14 hours on low pay when one has a family to support in SG these days. How to have family life if one is constantly at work?
If I don’t have family and will be in that country for only a few years, sure, I will work damn hard and won’t mind undercutting the locals there (esp if the amount I’m getting here will enable me to live like a king once I’m home). there are just too many stories I’ve heard personally about pp who are PRs and milk the system for all its worth - only to be planning to go back to their country of birth and live in their grand estate. It’s only human, I don’t blame them for wanting to do it. I just lament that my govt is encouraging them. -
hquek:
some of it are the necessary evils .....Thanks chief, great one.
As to the comments on closing our doors to foreigners, on education. Thing is, we are talking about public education. Is there any country that makes it so easy for non-citizens to go to their public school? I'm not sure. Opening up to competition is one thing, but we are talking about national education here. Shouldn't citizens have first bite?
On jobs. Singaporeans perceived as over paid, not willing to work hard? well it sure will be tough to clock in 12/14 hours on low pay when one has a family to support in SG these days. How to have family life if one is constantly at work?
If I don't have family and will be in that country for only a few years, sure, I will work damn hard and won't mind undercutting the locals there (esp if the amount I'm getting here will enable me to live like a king once I'm home). there are just too many stories I've heard personally about pp who are PRs and milk the system for all its worth - only to be planning to go back to their country of birth and live in their grand estate. It's only human, I don't blame them for wanting to do it. I just lament that my govt is encouraging them. -
3Boys:
Yup, agree..
Indeed buds, resilience. I fear for my kids facing up to global competition........but not facing up to it and sticking our heads in the sand will be far worse.buds:
Add resilience to that, 3Boys bro! :celebrate:
Being able to withstand any adversities and still come out strong.
It will pave for never say die attitude that whatever comes I'm still standing.
Indirectly, children will not be overwhelmed by challenges of any kind .....come wat may.
It's like forever complaining & whining but not doing anything to do things differently to deal with it.. think out of the box.. if at first we don't succeed try other ways. With land-scarce SG, not many heads can fit aniwaes.
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Came across this by accident:
新加坡德明政府中学招生说明会 2012
Talk on Singapore Dunman High School Secondary Recruitment Exercise, for
No.2 Middle School Attached to Shandong Normal University, China
http://www.ssefz.com/article/article-info.shtml?articleID=fbff6383-8804-46b2-aa66-5b33323ab825
山东师范大学第二附属中学
5月15日，我校友好学校——新加坡德明政府中学招生说明会在我校报告厅召开。来自新加坡的连汉川老师、杨振光老师以及我校和育英中学的100多名家长参加了会议，会议由毛利新副校长主持。
会上，杨振光老师做了题为《中国初三学生赴新加坡学习项目》的报告，详细介绍了新加坡教育体制、选拔过程、奖学金情况等。之后，杨老师和连老师对家长们关心的问题进行了耐心细致地解答，对有关事项进行了说明。
会后，荆兆晶校长代表我校与新加坡两位老师进行了亲切的会谈，就教育教学等问题进行了友好而深入的交流，希望两校进一步加强交流与了解，增强感情与友谊，相互学习，培育更多优秀学生，为促进中新友谊的发展做出贡献。
It's becoming more and more common for the top schools in Singapore to give scholarships to top Chinese students, and they're aggressively recruiting there, top students = top \"A\" level results. The top Chinese students would be spoilt for choices from Dunman High, NYGH, HCI, etc. There's really no reason for them not to take up the all expense paid scholarships to study in Sg, which would also greatly increase their standing when applying to uni in the West (many of the top students will NOT stay in Sg - same for our own top Singaporean students not on govt scholarships i.e. no bonds). However, at least for Singaporean, their roots are here and they might want to come back someday. But these foreigner would never look back. Why are we depriving our Singaporean students precious places in the best schools, which are funded by tax-payers? Are the tax-payers paying for these scholarships, or is this funded by private donors? Is the govt tracking the economic benefits of giving out scholarships to these foreign students? -
Sun_2010:
Oh yes, the pool is definitely crowded but I'm not complaining abt that cos I chose to go to a public pool....not pte condo or country club pool :imdrowning:
Why?oneheart:
Every weekend I bring my kids to the pool for swim lessons....everywhere I swim I bump into Pinoys, PRC & India Indians. Really feel outcast in my own ctry. y?
You have probably visited other countries for vacation. Did you feel like an outcast?
Yes vacations are fun but does not feel like home, but surely not like an outcast, or we would not be going there.
If you felt the pool was crowded I understand , but feel like an out caste ?? :?
It's just a metaphor to answer chief question on 'whether we even know what it means to be a Singaporean' How it feels like to be a Sgaporean...one of which is multi-racial with English as the mode of communication.
But with influx of FT esp those who can't speak a smattering of English...how? Maybe it's ok for you cos you used to live in China and can speak the language...but there are Singaporeans who don't and by having such foreigners in service sector, etc....what msg is being sent to these Sgporeans? You are not speaking our language?!?
There a a lot of other matters which is constantly being debated everywhere....pro's n cons of having foreigner...but yup, is our identity/culture of a nation being eroded, if not sooner then later?
Hey, I dun mind the competition....but is playing field level? They are cheaper...why are they cheaper? Better? hmmmm debatable.
As for public education....I agree with hquek...investment on education shld first and foremost be for children of Singaporeans. As per MOE vision/mission...moulding our future generation!
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