Former SCDF and CNB chiefs arrested

[HVR]

limlim:

HVR:

[quote=\"limlim\"]
According to someone's logic....

their pay not high enough.. hence they corrupt..

I think 'corrupt' doesn't necessary mean receive money. In this case, he was alleged to show favour in return for sexual service. Which mean nothing to do with high pay.

Which means, even if you pay someone millions, it doesn't meant that they will not corrupt.

So, by your statement \"Which mean nothing to do with high pay\", we pay millions so as to reduce the chance of them pocketing extra money ONLY, and the high pay is not to prevent them from being corrupted (for power, etc..) ????????

Is that what you're saying? since you seems to imply that because his kind of corruption is not related to high pay, the notion of giving HIGH pay to prevent them \"pocketing extra money\" ONLY is still noble and justified, and not disgraced by this incident?

So, to prevent corruption of power, the state must give office holder unlimited power?

So, to prevent corruption of vice, the state must give them lots of women??

If HIGH pay does not cover all (forms of corruption), the state must give them the benefits of that kind to prevent against corruption of that kind?[/quote]I just merely pointed out this 'corruption' case has got nothing to do with money, why get so work up? I am just glad the law does consider other form of 'corruptions' and is able to take action against the guilty one. Cannot understand your logic. So to stop people from stealing, we just give them what they want?

[hokkiengirl]

[quote=\"Lilac66] Eh, I'm sweet but not short, k!!! Wah, so lame. Even I am cringing. Yah, Lilac66, join the KSP Hokkien Huay Kuan. I am Hokkien GIRL, so I only think pure, innocent thoughts. :imanangel: You can be Hokkien Woman- the more exciting version. I promise to let you be President of the club. kekekeke [/quote]



Nowadays, \"Woman\" may not be more an exciting version than a \"Girl\" :evil:[/quote]

Good point! So I get to be head of the Entertainment Section in the Huay Kuan. I'm already thinking of theme parties... :evil:

[limlim]

HVR:

limlim:

[quote=\"HVR\"]


I think 'corrupt' doesn't necessary mean receive money. In this case, he was alleged to show favour in return for sexual service. Which mean nothing to do with high pay.

Which means, even if you pay someone millions, it doesn't meant that they will not corrupt.

So, by your statement \"Which mean nothing to do with high pay\", we pay millions so as to reduce the chance of them pocketing extra money ONLY, and the high pay is not to prevent them from being corrupted (for power, etc..) ????????

Is that what you're saying? since you seems to imply that because his kind of corruption is not related to high pay, the notion of giving HIGH pay to prevent them \"pocketing extra money\" ONLY is still noble and justified, and not disgraced by this incident?

So, to prevent corruption of power, the state must give office holder unlimited power?

So, to prevent corruption of vice, the state must give them lots of women??

If HIGH pay does not cover all (forms of corruption), the state must give them the benefits of that kind to prevent against corruption of that kind?

I just merely pointed out this 'corruption' case has got nothing to do with money, why get so work up? I am just glad the law does consider other form of 'corruptions' and is able to take action against the guilty one. Cannot understand your logic. So to stop people from stealing, we just give them what they want?[/quote]High pay is supposed to deter all forms of corruption. Even if this case is not related to money, it is still a form of corruption, and it proves that someone's logic (of high pay deters corruption) is seriously FLAWED.


Of coz I disagree with the part in red. I just pointed out that it seems to be what you're implying in your post.

My first comment on it is to say that (in a sarcastic way), to give high pay to prevent corruption is a mistake. A BIG mistake. And \"someone\" (not referring to you, of coz) is still trying to insist that it is right..

I totally support the review in ministerial salary..

And feel that it could be adjusted more to attract the CORRECT nature of talent. Someone who feels that it is a privileged to serve, and not someone who feel that the balance could be titled further and they are doing BIG Time sacrifice by joining public office. How dis-gracefu....

[BeContented]

limlim:

And feel that it could be adjusted more to attract the CORRECT nature of talent. Someone who feels that it is a privileged to serve, and not someone who feel that the balance could be titled further and they are doing BIG Time sacrifice by joining public office. How dis-gracefu....

With the value system & upbringing I see these days, I'm not very optimistic on how many of such people are there. Perhaps we should try to inculcate that value in our own children first. :siam:

[friendship]

aiyoh…no need to argue lah…


women…women…the top sales women in insurance, property, stocks, etc also use the sama sama tactic. Open leg, business huat ah.

[Lilac66]

hokkiengirl:

[quote=\"Lilac66] Eh, I'm sweet but not short, k!!! Wah, so lame. Even I am cringing. Yah, Lilac66, join the KSP Hokkien Huay Kuan. I am Hokkien GIRL, so I only think pure, innocent thoughts. :imanangel: You can be Hokkien Woman- the more exciting version. I promise to let you be President of the club. kekekeke

Nowadays, \"Woman\" may not be more an exciting version than a \"Girl\" :evil:[/quote]

Good point! So I get to be head of the Entertainment Section in the Huay Kuan. I'm already thinking of theme parties... :evil:[/quote][/quote][/quote]



:evil: :rotflmao:

[verykiasu2010]

http://news.omy.sg/News/Local%2BNews/Story/OMYStory201206101500-341108.html


女经理拼业绩陪客上床被休　竟斥夫：你靠我养


陪睡换业绩赚大钱，女销售经理离婚后不反思，还怒指老公住公寓、游欧洲、养父母都是花她“搞”来的钱！

前民防部队总监林新邦被控上庭后，性贿赂问题引发全国关注，爆出有人为了一单百万生意赚10万甜头，竟不顾商业道德，不顾是否破坏自己和客户的家庭，暗地陪上床。

一名年近40岁，刚换到新公司的集团销售经理告诉《新报》，她遭前公司解雇，是因为客户的老婆雇私家侦探，抓到她和客户发生关系的证据，随即闹到她的办公室，人尽皆知所以她被裁。

她说，客户的老婆还找到她老公的公司，亲手把照片交给他。她的老公气得当晚离家，去年提出离婚。

完整报道，请翻阅10.06.2012《联合晚报》。

[AC_Power]

limlim:

Oh.. really? you believe?

Heard of so many stories(unverified).. the evaluation team (probably those pple that you deal with?) strongly recommended vendor A based on various factors with STRONG justification.. then.. the dept head (who probably know nuts) say, take vendor B.

the evaluation team, no matter how hard they work in actual is like there for show only..

ONE person's word decide on the outcome.

Ask yourself.. look around you.. did you encounter crappy systems? how about the word BREAKDOWN......................... as it applies to something many pple use everyday. HOW did this system or the vendor gets selected when their offering/product is so crappy..???????

And, what I heard is, vendor B submitted the lowest quote, but their system is crap and eval team recommended vendor A, but their boss choose vendor B and ask the team leader to justify it by hook or by crook, all the while the boss is officially \"not in the picture\". Then, vendor B got the bid.. but somehow, they always over budget and somehow, the budget is always approved.. and end result.. a crap system that overall costs much more then vendor A's original bid.

does it sounds familiar to you.......?

My point is the tender process is made transparent and robust enough to make it difficult for public money to be wasted.

For mega tender projects, the specifications must be laid down very clearly. If you specs it too low, anyone who came in with the lowest quote and meeting specs, the govt agency has to accept it.

In your illustration above, the boss does not even need to demand the team to justify Vendor B. He only needs to reject the justification to pay more for Vendor A and Vendor B's proposal will be accepted.

I am also very sure that my quotation will only be known to the agency after the tender is closed. Thus, no way he can leak it to my competitors unless I am such a greenhorn, to tell him off record, how much I will be bidding.

In gist, there can never be a perfect system as long as human is involved. Just like there will never to perfect IT security because there is always human as the weakest link.

[phtthp]

what if someone spy and sneak to peep into the set of documents you’d submitted - look at what financial figure you’d quoted, then report to that person, who then leak out commercial secret ?

[AC_Power]

phtthp:

what if someone spy and sneak to peep into the set of documents you'd submitted - look at what financial figure you'd quoted, then report to that person, who then leak out commercial secret ?

You mean a mole in my team? Or in WP's context, a squirrel?

Don't think it is a scenario in Peter Lim's case.