Real reason behind Singapore’s obsession with tuition
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ksi:
Hi ksi,
Just wondering, do you know the components marks that make up English marks? If you know how much is Oral, Written paper, Listening Compre, is it not possible to compute the compo marks?BeContented:
Actually my DD also do not know her score. All I am told is below average & I dun know what is the average score even. However, after the whole PTM, I learnt from another mother she pushed hard & managed to find out her dd score.
Maybe I never try hard enough.
Sadly I could not figure out cos all I have is the written score for Paper 2 for both EL & CL. -
janet_lee88:
I don't know the grade. Honestly.ksi:
[quote=\"janet_lee88\"]Actually for compo, many parents would want to know how kids fared. That is Paper 1...if kids feel that they did ok, they have confidence to move on and not worry about it. For compo, most schools will NOT even show kids nor tell them the grades...Category 3. If it is P6, especially, there is no harm telling us parents the grades? We have every reason to find out how we can help kids improve.
Oh Janet, this is another surprise to me. It seems that you are talking about Category 4, (EXTREMELY closed system) whereby the kids are not even told about their compo marks? Is this really happening? Kindly confirm then I will update the category.
But my son still has to go to school, hope you understand.[/quote]is it just your school? Out of 185 pri schools in singapore, most means more than 93 schools. Are you sure ? -
janet_lee88:
I am very skepticalI am disappointed, very disappointed that such vital info cannot be revealed.
Was told that heads will roll if compo marks are told. -
cherryc:
I rather you have the opinion that I am rude, and as Chen put it, \"vulgar\", then to continue to see all the nonsense on \"MOE policies\" misleading uninformed readers
I Was telling myself I will not post anymore after seeing some tasteless remarks but for your post I must show my full support before I eventually sign off.lydia_chin:
Hi Chen,
:goodpost: I remember I read in another thread that 'he' claim himself to be a civil person :roll:
Chen, I appreciate your effort to write these posts, providing opinions and very good suggestions to improve our education system. please please please continue to do so :please:
There are parents here who are very lucky to have good partnership with their children's school, have supportive and competent teachers /principals. Good for them! For those who do not, and are still going through the pain together with their children, shall find ways to help the precious ones. At the same time, parents who support systemic change to our education, please do write, post, feedback to MOE. And if these still fall on deaf ears, the next GE is definitely worth waiting for.
Let's help the precious ones out there.
It is astonishing to see parents who claim to be responsible for their kids and yet become irresponsible in their internet postings quoting 'MOE policy\" here and there ....... or \"most schools\", \"teachers don't teach\", blah blah bah ...... granted -- all these do happen, but to say it is happening in most schools or due to \"MOE policy\" is utter rubbish == you guys won't even reveal the names of the school ..... so much for being responsible
what so vulgar about the word \"bullshit\" ?
from the world english dictionary, it says \"nonsense, lies, exaggeration\", foolish talk, pretentious talk .......which all this unsubstantiated talks are !
posting unsubstantiated \"MOE policy\" is no more civil than the word \"BS\"
well, anyone who has not used the word 'bs' in his / her lifetime can throw the first stone at me -
It has been eye opening for me to read about the short comings experienced by many parents out there, with regard to the education system and experiences of the kids and parents.
However, making sweeping statements without substantiation is misleading, unhelpful, and malicious.
Every keyboard warrior can hide behind the anonymous computer screen and spew all kinds of false accusations against the MOE and the schools.
Who knows whether it is just another parrot jumping on the band-wagon to bash MOE and the schools …? -
My DS school only allows parents to look at exam papers during PTM. You can take as long as you want to view the papers as long as within the teacher's sight. Some parents commented that it could be the school was afraid that the exam papers fell into undesirable hands. Probably the school doesn't want other schools to know what sort of questions is set - afraid of plagiarism, perhaps?
I would normally take a quick look to get a feel of the questions set and see how DS did, hoping to detect any weakness or carelessness. As for compo, they did about 10 or so a year. Most of the time, I don't get to see them and when I do, I notice that the teacher's comments are few and limited. I have no issue with that cos as a tutor myself, I wouldn't want to correct a student's compo too much or it'll become mine. However, I would give suggestions on how to improve and push for more creativity. The command of a child's language usually determines the ability to write. However, DS3 did the unthinkable during his lower primary compo exams and not once but twice in a row the form teachers thought it important to inform me that he got zero for his SA2. :slapshead: I was :yikes: but knew the reason although the teacher didn't spell it out. DS3 prefered situation writing to picture cos he felt restricted by the pictures. However, he went overboard and let his imagination run wild. :faint: I had a hard time convincing him not to write out of point. I have confidence that language use was not his problem. Well happy to say that for his PSLE I believe that he did a very good job from what he told me. Compared to his peers, his story line was unique and that definitely had helped him to score points. This year, his essay for SA1 was among the few selected for publication by the school. :boogie: -
tuition_czar:
you are right, of course
If it borders on defamation, keyboard warriors can still be hunted through tracking their IPs and have legal action taken against them. There is no real anonymity in cyberspace.verykiasu2010:
It has been eye opening for me to read about the short comings experienced by many parents out there, with regard to the education system and experiences of the kids and parents.
However, making sweeping statements without substantiation is misleading, unhelpful, and malicious.
Every keyboard warrior can hide behind the anonymous computer screen and spew all kinds of false accusations against the MOE and the schools.
Who knows whether it is just another parrot jumping on the band-wagon to bash MOE and the schools .....?
the problems is, most parents just read and parrot the info else where without verifying....that is the dangerous part
some misleading info may not even be defaming -
janet_lee88:
Actually for compo, many parents would want to know how kids fared. That is Paper 1...if kids feel that they did ok, they have confidence to move on and not worry about it. For compo, most schools will NOT even show kids nor tell them the grades...Category 3. If it is P6, especially, there is no harm telling us parents the grades? We have every reason to find out how we can help kids improve.
out of 185 or so pri schools, how many as you say 'most schools' ? -
tuition_czar:
exactly. that is why parents should not make unsubstantiated sweeping statements. #1 it mislead readers, and #2 they can still be traced to where / who they areWell my friend, what is considered defamation is really subjective. If it stings someone real bad, he might just decide to take action against that particular poster. Even if the outcome absolves the defendant of any wrongdoing, he has endured unnecessary anguish during this whole period, lawyer letters, court proceedings and all.
Which is why its best remain clear-headed and don't let emotions rule your head in a manner where you post things you might come to regret later. -
tuition_czar:
You are a councillor, so I guess you have the power to issue warnings in here right?[/quote] :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
exactly. that is why parents should not make unsubstantiated sweeping statements. #1 it mislead readers, and #2 they can still be traced to where / who they areverykiasu2010:
[quote=\"tuition_czar\"]Well my friend, what is considered defamation is really subjective. If it stings someone real bad, he might just decide to take action against that particular poster. Even if the outcome absolves the defendant of any wrongdoing, he has endured unnecessary anguish during this whole period, lawyer letters, court proceedings and all.
Which is why its best remain clear-headed and don't let emotions rule your head in a manner where you post things you might come to regret later.
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